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The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 15:34, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

Picturesque Palestine, Sinai, and Egypt

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The cave under the Dome of the Rock, from Picturesque Palestine
The cave under the Dome of the Rock, from Picturesque Palestine
    • ... that Social Life in Egypt, an 1884 supplement to Picturesque Palestine, argued that poor treatment of women was Egypt's primary stumbling block in modernizing itself?
  • Reviewed: Professor X
  • Notes: Pic for OP: . Pic for ALT1: . Pic for ALT2 & ALT3:

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 14:21, 3 October 2015 (UTC).

  • Created on September 26 and nominated on October 3rd, at the cusp of the 7th day window, but usually acceptable. 6068 char but 960 are text directly quoted from the article John Douglas Woodward. Still leaves 5108 char. Long enough. (Note, would appear subject article came first and text was added later to Woodward article on 27 Sept, but fact remains is duplicated text and doesn't effect outcome). From what I can check appears to be no copyvio, but many of the book pages am unable to access and must AGF there is none. In line citations. Neutral. QPQ done. All photographs per commons are in PD. Hook #1 has 167 char, under maximum. Verified with citation, though citation should show pp 132-134 rather than just p 132. ALT1 153 chars, under maximum. I don't think this hook is acceptable. He was a Royal Engineer, but the source says his work in Jerusalem was volunteer and he was not paid for it. Thus, any work he did, he did for himself and could give it to whomever he wanted. ALT2 151 char, under maximum. Verified with citation. ALT3 173 char, under maximum. Think the hook is problematic. Source states sketches were "started, if not finished" on site. Further, the only places specifically mentioned, other than in the broad terms of "in the Holy Land" or "Palestine" are "in the streets of Jaffa ...a house where St. Peter had a vision, the stone to which Andromeda had been chained,…and the Dome of the Rock.” Nothing about Egypt or Turkey on the page. ALT4 165 char, under maximum and is verified in source cited. GTG with Original Hook or ALT 2 or ALT 4 SusunW (talk) 20:50, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this but found some issues with the hooks that @SusunW: approved. ALT0 does not correspond to the article or the source. The hook connects treatment of women to self-modernization, while the article links it to prosperity and the source derides its effect on society/social life. The source for ALT2 only surmises that Woodward earned that amount; it is not certain. ALT4 is very good, but it needs an inline cite right after the hook fact, per Wikipedia:Did you know#Eligibility criteria (3. Cited hook). I added the correct article link to the hooks. Yoninah (talk) 00:02, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
  • My first reading of the original hook (okay, actually, I read it several times) was that the social system was bound up in modernization. But I can see where you would find that problematic, so we can strike it as well. I didn't see a problem with the ALT2 as it says he earned at least 10K if not more, thus no matter what he earned 10K. If you have a problem with it, it can be struck as well. The 4th alt, we both agree is fine. SusunW (talk) 01:48, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Yes, ALT4 is fine, but it needs an inline cite. Yoninah (talk) 22:32, 4 November 2015 (UTC)
  • All of the hooks should be fine, but will go through and address concerns in next day or three. — LlywelynII 11:21, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
  • LlywelynII Please ping me when you have tweaked them and I'll be happy to take another look. SusunW (talk) 15:28, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
  • SusunW Hey. Thanks for your work. ALT4 is taken care of, which is all you really needed. Also note, though, that I appreciate your diligence but you don't really need to go through all the ALT hooks in something like this. You can just verify the one you like the most... or in any case the one you like the most that's already fully within policy. — LlywelynII 09:27, 9 November 2015 (UTC)
  • @LlywelynII: Let's just keep it simple and go with one we know the promoters will pass. GTG on ALT4. Thanks ;) SusunW (talk) 14:13, 9 November 2015 (UTC)