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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 02:12, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

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Phạm Thận Duật

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5x expanded by Amyclam (talk). Nominated by Seazzy (talk) at 18:23, 3 September 2018 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
  • Cited: Yes - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
  • Interesting: Yes

Image eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Appears to be the nominator's first DYK nomination. Catrìona (talk) 05:46, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

As I stated, the only thing needed here is correct tagging of the image on Commons. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about Asian copyright law to tell you what the correct PD-Art tag is. Catrìona (talk) 21:58, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Amyclam can you figure out the copyright issue? -Seazzy (talk) 22:02, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

As this has been stuck for a while and the only problem appears to be the image, I think this should be good to go, albeit the hook shouldn't be in the image slot. Note though that the nominator hasn't edited in some time and help does not appear to be incoming (despite my two requests on Discord), so I think this should just move forward pic-less. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 12:25, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

  • I came by to promote this, but added several "citation needed" tags, one of which involves the hook fact. Yoninah (talk) 19:37, 13 October 2018 (UTC)
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I've been in touch with the page author but I'm not sure they know how to resolve the image issue. There is another image that is free on the page if that helps. - Seazzy (talk) 14:03, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Seazzy: it would help more if you could resolve the citations issue. Otherwise this nomination will be rejected. Yoninah (talk) 18:28, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah:Could you clarify why the hook citation was removed in the first place? Seazzy (talk) 18:50, 15 October 2018‎ (UTC)
  • @Seazzy: I'm not sure what you're referring to. I only added two "citation needed" tags to information that needs to be sourced. Yoninah (talk) 19:00, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Took a closer look and saw the cite tags. Have added the citation and corrected the date (based on the source). Hook must be re-written with new date of 1975. Can this be done here, or is there another way it needs to be done? If there is anything missing, please let us know! Seazzy (talk) 15:20, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Seazzy: thank you for adding the cite and correcting the date. Every paragraph has at least one cite now. Sometimes in the course of DYK nominations, the nominator finds that information is incorrect and is able to update it. So I'm glad you did that. To change text in the hook, you can either strike out and replace the information in the original hook, or write an alt hook:
  • ALT1: ... that the tombstone of Phạm Thận Duật (pictured) was buried face down until 1975 to conceal his cultural, military and anti-colonial activities from the French?
  • However, I'd like to suggest this hook wording:
  • ALT2: ... that the tombstone of Phạm Thận Duật was buried face down for nearly a century to conceal his cultural, military, and anti-colonial activities from the French?
  • Please let me know what you think of ALT2, and then I'll promote it. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 18:32, 17 October 2018 (UTC)
@Yoninah: ALT2 is great! Let's go with that one. Seazzy (talk) 17:01, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Seazzy: thanks. But we have one problem. Double-checking the source with Google Translate, the source says nothing about the tombstone being buried to conceal his cultural, military, and anti-colonial activities from the French. It just says it was done to conceal the tombstone from the French. Do you have another source for this info? Yoninah (talk) 16:59, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
  • @Amyclam: If you have a source, this can move ahead. Seazzy (talk) 19:29, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
  • ALT3 "...that the tombstone of Vietnamese anti-colonialist Phạm Thận Duật was buried face down for nearly a century to conceal it from the French colonial ruler?" Drmies (talk) 01:33, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Yoninah, Seazzy, Amyclam, what do you think? That "the French" was the colonial government should be of the "sky is blue" category; "Vietnamese" comes from his birthplace, and "anti-colonialist" is pulled from the article. Drmies (talk) 01:33, 2 November 2018 (UTC)
  • Thanks, @Drmies: that works very nicely. Restoring tick per Catrìona's review. I don't recommend using the images. Yoninah (talk) 23:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
* Couldn't have put it better myself, @Drmies:. I've been working on clearing the image rights, but it seems to be a circular problem. It just needs a checkmark under Vietnamese copyright to qualify for international, but there is no Vietnamese laws around this (at least not posted to Wikipedia). Seazzy (talk) 17:22, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
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