Template:Did you know nominations/Petitcrieu
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The result was: promoted by Rjjiii talk 16:51, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
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Petitcrieu
- ... that a magical rainbow dog from medieval legend could instantly turn people happy?
- Source: Clason, Christopher R. (2015). "A "Courtly" Reading of Natural Metaphors: Animals and Performance in Gottfried's "Tristan"". Mediaevistik. 28: 141–159. ISSN 0934-7453.
ALT1: ... that a magical rainbow dog from medieval legend may have been a symbolic representation of love? Source: Grasmik, Kristina (2012). Das Wunderhündchen Petitcreiu. Semantische Unterbrechungen der Handlung in Gottfried von Straßburgs "Tristan" (in German). GRIN Verlag. ISBN 978-3668472556.- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Benjamin F. McAdoo
Created by Di (they-them) (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 19 past nominations.
Di (they-them) (talk) 16:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC).
- @Di (they-them): I'm reviewing this. But first, I think your offline source needs a specific page number. BorgQueen (talk) 16:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, the pages that mention it being a symbol of love are pages 5 and 6, in the section Semantische Unterbrechung im Tristan-Roman. Di (they-them) (talk) 17:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- The pages need to be specified in the article too. BorgQueen (talk) 17:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Got it, they've now been added. Di (they-them) (talk) 17:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, but I'm afraid—I just Googled it—GRIN Verlag is a German self-publishing company. We generally do not accept self-published sources as per WP:SPS. BorgQueen (talk) 17:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, that's quite disappointing. Do you think the source and its paragraph should be removed from the article entirely, or can it be left because it's being used just to cite the author's analysis? Di (they-them) (talk) 17:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the source and the paragraph will have to be removed altogether, unless you can somehow prove the author is an expert in their field so we can make an exception, or you can find a more reliable source to support the claim. BorgQueen (talk) 18:15, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Got it. Di (they-them) (talk) 18:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- As for ALT0, please see WP:DYKFICTION. Also, being multi-colored doesn't necessarily mean rainbow-colored. My suggestion is: ALT2 ... that a magical inanimate dog may have been a taxidermy dog, an automaton, or a metaphor? BorgQueen (talk) 19:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- This alt hook seems fine to me, I have no objections. Di (they-them) (talk) 20:04, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- As for ALT0, please see WP:DYKFICTION. Also, being multi-colored doesn't necessarily mean rainbow-colored. My suggestion is: ALT2 ... that a magical inanimate dog may have been a taxidermy dog, an automaton, or a metaphor? BorgQueen (talk) 19:50, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Got it. Di (they-them) (talk) 18:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the source and the paragraph will have to be removed altogether, unless you can somehow prove the author is an expert in their field so we can make an exception, or you can find a more reliable source to support the claim. BorgQueen (talk) 18:15, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, that's quite disappointing. Do you think the source and its paragraph should be removed from the article entirely, or can it be left because it's being used just to cite the author's analysis? Di (they-them) (talk) 17:47, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, but I'm afraid—I just Googled it—GRIN Verlag is a German self-publishing company. We generally do not accept self-published sources as per WP:SPS. BorgQueen (talk) 17:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Got it, they've now been added. Di (they-them) (talk) 17:26, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- The pages need to be specified in the article too. BorgQueen (talk) 17:10, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, the pages that mention it being a symbol of love are pages 5 and 6, in the section Semantische Unterbrechung im Tristan-Roman. Di (they-them) (talk) 17:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
ALT2 AGF checks out and is short enough and interesting. I'm aware that some moan about hooks having to be a definite fact, but I don't think that really applies here given that the article subject is a legend. Let's roll.--Launchballer 20:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Comment before promoting: The article cites a broad page range, but the hook fact can be verified from the first new paragraph on page 115. Also, I don't think there is a WP:DYKFICTION issue with ALT 2. The fact is drawn from criticism and analysis of the dog, not the fictional portrayal of the dog. Rjjiii (talk) 16:51, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
