Template:Did you know nominations/Peter Williams (alpine skier)

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:10, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Peter Williams (alpine skier)

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... that doctors believed New Zealand para-alpine skier Peter Williams would live only a few days and told his mother not to bother to feed him?

Reviewed: Finger (gesture)

Created/expanded by LauraHale (talk), Thine Antique Pen (talk). Nominated by LauraHale (talk) at 20:53, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Good hook... Makes me want to laugh. But, it is absolutely, positively NOT supported by any of the citations listed upfront, including tvnz,

petewilliams.co or paralympics.org. I looked for the mother being told not to bother feeding him specifically. Where is it? Poeticbent talk 19:33, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

The comment is in the video on the New Zealand television website. You have to watch the video to get this fact. This is cited source, which inline and hidden says"This fact requires watching the video.!" --LauraHale (talk) 20:31, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

In this case, simply listing the source at the end of a sentence in the main copy is not enough. The factoid does not originate from the webpage... It originates from the taped interview. The only solution in my view is to add explanation directly in the text. These are words of the subject himself, from a video clip at that address. Please state it along with the quote. Poeticbent talk 21:52, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
I am really confused here. The fact appears on the cited page, which is basically a tv station having a video on a page that necessitates watching a video. It appears implicit to me that you would watch the video given the reference. I'll admit that I have not cited official YouTube accounts much before or television ivideos found on websites... but before I do this, so I know going forward, can you cite the policy where this s required before making the change? The fact is found in the cited source. Additional, hidden, inline comments have been included in the article which goes on to explain this. I'm just confused as to what policy you're requiring this from? ----LauraHale (talk) 22:03, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I really don't know how to make it any clearer. The hook fact does not appear in the cited article published March 14, 2010 online. It is mentioned in a video. The photograph featured on the webpage twice, does not have a caption, and the video link goes by a different url (once you click on it). The clip starts with an advertisement for Skoda automobile. That's a long way off from just linking the article in reference section for easy access to source. Wikipedia:Did you know#The hook says in section Content: The "Did you know?" fact must be mentioned in the article. So, since you're actually quoting the spoken word (not the article), why don't you elaborate on where it came from, in the main copy... Thanks, Poeticbent talk 00:34, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Added a reference to the video to the article. For some reason though, I do not get a car commercial; it cuts straight to the interview, which starts with the words being cited. Hawkeye7 (talk) 03:31, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for adding link to the TVNZ vido inteview webpage. The ad is part of the clip for sure, but it is short and makes little difference. I fixed the formatting. The article (created 29 October 2012) is long enough and well referenced. The hook works for me. Good to go. Poeticbent talk 05:32, 3 November 2012 (UTC)