Template:Did you know nominations/Mount Mian

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:16, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Mount Mian

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Mt Mian in Shanxi, China

• ... that Mt Mian (pictured) in Shanxi is the supposed location of the murder of Jie Zhitui, an action credited with inspiring China's annual Tomb Sweeping Day?
  • ALT1:... that temples on Mt Mian (pictured) in Shanxi, China, observe an annual Cold Food Festival in honor of Jie Zhitui?
  • ALT2:... that in 2001 Mt Mian (pictured) in Shanxi became the second location in mainland China to be permitted to hold a major Taoist ritual after the Communist victory in the Chinese Civil War?
  • ALT3:... that Ji Chong'er missed his advisor Jie Zhitui so much that he burnt Jie and his mother alive in the forests around Mt Mian (pictured) in Shanxi?
  • ALT4:... that a chairman of a Chinese coal company spent hundreds of millions of RMB improving sites around Mt Mian (pictured) in Shanxi?
  • ALT5:... that the CNTA has named Mt Mian (pictured) in Shanxi, China, a AAAAA tourist destination?

• Reviewed: Will do Shu Xiuwen.
• Comment: Note to reviewers: Don't worry. You only need to review the hook(s) most interesting to you.

Created by LlywelynII (talk). Self-nominated at 06:40, 25 November 2017 (UTC).

• Article is new enough, long enough, neutral, and well referenced. QPQ is done. No copyvio found. I like the main hook, but "murder" is the wrong word. The legend says that Duke Wen of Jin burned the forest in order to force Jie Zhitui out of his hermitage, but accidentally killed him and his mother. -Zanhe (talk) 02:58, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

• With respect, if you're fine with everything except the particular wording of a particular hook, there are 5 others to choose from and you can run with one of them instead.
  
  If it salves your conscience w/r/t to ALT0, you should remember we're basically advertising and things should be worded as strongly as possible short of fraud. "Manslaughter" and "unintentional homicide" are both much too bloodless and cumbersome; "death" is more boring still. "Murder" is particularly used when describing an unlawful death caused with malice aforethought, but it's only the unlawful causing of death part that is actually definitive. A death caused this wantonly and negligently is murder regardless of intent; the only thing mitigating would be if you considered the duke sovereign within his realm and therefore above the law. (Or if you believe the Taoists and assume Jie escaped the flames as an immortal...) Even then, the OED‘s senses 1b. and 1c. easily cover his fate: "the action of killing or... destruction of life, regarded as wicked and morally reprehensible regardless of its legality..." The legend reports even the duke acknowledging that his actions rose to that level. — LlywelynII 10:19, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

• Well I like ALT0 the best. I suggest we change "murder" to "immolation". It'll be both accurate and catchy, IMO. -Zanhe (talk) 20:01, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

• Murder is already catchy and is, as noted, completely accurate. Are you going to put a checkmark on this? choose another ALT? or do we need another reviewer yet again? — LlywelynII 18:00, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

• I don't understand why you're so stubborn as to be unwilling to change a single questionable word. But I have better things to do than keep arguing over this. Let's use ALT1 then, which is also supported by reference. Image is freely licensed. ALT1 good to go. -Zanhe (talk) 06:27, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

• Thanks :) Not really a question of being stubborn. It's just better wording and entirely accurate. At the same time, the whole reason the other hooks are there is for you to use them if you prefer.
  
  Anyway, it's probably not worth reopening the nomination over, but I thought you might be interested in this. Apparently (although not with strong enough wording to use as a hook) some of the statues on Mianshan are supposed to be actual monks that have been mummified with clay over the years. — LlywelynII 10:45, 18 December 2017 (UTC)