Template:Did you know nominations/Michael F. Adubato

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:09, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Michael F. Adubato

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• ... that Michael F. Adubato objected to the newly opened 20,000-seat Brendan Byrne Arena being named for New Jersey's sitting governor, as the the name "idolizes, sainthoods and anoints a human being"? Source: "In fact, the Governor's critics in the Legislature were so incensed over the naming of the 20,000-seat arena that they tried to have it erased.... 'It just doesn't look right,' Mr. Adubato said. 'Here we have a group of people appointed by Governor Byrne deciding to name the facility the Brendan T. Byrne Arena.' Mr. Adubato complained on the Assembly floor that the decision 'idolizes, sainthoods and annoints a human being.'" Nore that the wording -- with grammatical errors -- is straight from the source. Are sic tags needed?
  • ALT1:... ... that Michael F. Adubato tried to block a bill providing Newark, New Jersey with $18 million in added revenue, to protest $150,000 in salary increases for the mayor, city council and department heads? Source: "The legislators, led by Assemblyman Michael F. Adubato of Belleville, a Democrat whose district includes a portion of Newark, have sent a special Newark tax bill back to the Assembly Taxation Committee because they oppose pay raises that members of the Newark Council voted for themselves and Mayor Kenneth A. Gibson on Oct. 2.... A spokesman for the City Council declared that initial reaction among Council members to the blocking of the tax bill was one of 'outrage. For the sum of $150,000 in raises, the legislators are threatening to withhold $18‐million in special tax revenue from city residents,' said the spokesman, Pamela Goldstein."

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• Comment: Note that the 5x expansion was done after a series of copyvios were removed through the revdel process.

5x expanded by Alansohn (talk). Self-nominated at 17:37, 29 January 2018 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

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• Interesting:
• Other problems:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: * Hook does not read very smoothly, due to the rather uncommon usage of sainthoods as a verb. A [sic] tag might work, but I have never seen this in a DYK entry. Have you considered paraphrasing instead? A second minor detail is that you might want to start the hook with the word politician or something, as most people do not know Adubato.

• With regard to ALT1, this hook is less interesting, but still contains an element of surprise. But I am just wondering whether people not coming from the USA will understand that added revenue means tax revenue. I also feel that using the word protest without at or against is unusual, but that maybe because I am less used to American English. Farang Rak Tham (talk) 14:19, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

• Farang Rak Tham, let's try ALT2: "... that Michael F. Adubato objected to the new 20,000-seat Brendan Byrne Arena being named for New Jersey's sitting governor, as the the name "idolizes, sainthoods [sic] and anoints a human being"? - which includes a sic tag to indicate the non-grammatical usage, which may draw people in to read the article. And let's try ALT3:... that Michael F. Adubato tried to block a bill giving Newark, New Jersey $18 million in added tax revenue, to protest against $150,000 in salary increases for the mayor, council and department heads? Let me know if wither or both work. Alansohn (talk) 15:41, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

• Alansohn, there is some previous instance of proposed usage of the sic tag, but I have nevertheless left a note requesting some advice from a more experienced editor before I pass the hook. As for ALT3, I propose a slight simplification and clarification. Let me know what you think:
• ALT4:... that Michael F. Adubato tried to block a bill giving Newark, New Jersey $18 million in added tax revenue, to protest against $150,000 in salary increases for Newark's city council?
• In British English, you could say their city council, but I understand this is unusual in American English. But I'm fine with ALT3 as well. As for ALT2—I will confirm you on that.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 16:48, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

• Farang Rak Tham, thanks for ALT4, which I support (though the city council wasn't the only ones included), and thanks for your efforts to remind me that we all need to be cognizant of the varieties of English used around the world. Alansohn (talk) 16:51, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

• You are welcome. The reason I proposed ALT4 is to add in another instance of Newark. We could use another word instead of city council, though it can't be too long.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 16:56, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for asking me, - however, I find both hook too complicated even without a "sic". If you stick to one of them, there's no need to add "politician", - all political language ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:19, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

So what ALT hook do you suggest, Gerda?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 23:59, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm on vacation and do just minimum maintenance. Reading this article for finding a hook is more. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:16, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm simplifying, by cutting out the numbers:ALT5: ... that Michael F. Adubato tried to block a bill giving Newark, New Jersey added tax revenue, to protest against salary increases for Newark's city council?--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:13, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

• I'd prefer ALT4 to ALT5, as the scale of cutting $18 million in revenue in the "punishment" is more than 100 times the "crime" of increasing salaries by $150,000. Alansohn (talk) 04:14, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

• Well, I'll pass ALT4 then. Let us hope the person preparing the queue agrees.--Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 12:05, 20 February 2018 (UTC)