Template:Did you know nominations/Luigi Gatti (businessman)
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:05, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
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Luigi Gatti (businessman)
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- ... that Luigi Gatti ran a restaurant (pictured) on the Titanic for passengers for whom first class was not exclusive enough?
- Reviewed: Sergio Córdova
Created by Edwardx (talk) and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 22:47, 10 May 2017 (UTC).
Interesting sad story, on good sources, Italian source accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. Just waiting for qpq. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:17, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you for your review, Gerda Arendt. QPQ now done. Edwardx (talk) 12:07, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
The image is licensed, but doesn't show too much in stamp size. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:20, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you, Gerda Arendt. I've added an ALT1 (same hook) with a different image:
- Thank you for your review, Gerda Arendt. QPQ now done. Edwardx (talk) 12:07, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- ALT1:
... that Luigi Gatti ran a restaurant on the Titanic (pictured) for passengers for whom first class was not exclusive enough?
- Thank you but I think people saw an image of the ship already. We have sooo many pictures nominated of things not yet known, such as the one above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:00, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
- Hi, I came by to promote this, but I don't see the hook fact in the citation given. Yoninah (talk) 22:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
- I read more about the classes in ref #3. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:14, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
- @Gerda Arendt: but this source is not used as verification for the hook fact in the lead, and it also doesn't say that the service was "for passengers for whom first class was not exclusive enough", just that it was for first-class passengers. Yoninah (talk) 23:22, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
- I read it differently: that it was reserved for 1st class passengers, but superior, - which can be worded as the hook does. I hope the authors will fix it, - I am too tired. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:28, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
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It's now over three weeks. Last call, Edwardx. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:36, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you for the kind reminder, BlueMoonset. I've added ref #3 as a cite to support the hook fact. And I've added some more later in the article. Any reasonable reading of the section from the Titanic Belfast official site should support the way the hook seeks to summarise it, although I am of course open to alternatives. Edwardx (talk) 19:58, 19 June 2017 (UTC)
"By the late 1900s, in comparison, the provision of 1st Class dining for many wealthy passengers was just not good enough. New money had to an extent created a democracy where if you could afford to travel in 1st, despite your humble origins, you could dine next to a duke. For the social elite of the time, this presented a terrible social dilemma.
The solution in part was to further divide 1st Class by offering in the ‘Olympic’ class an extra charge Restaurant and other special dining areas. Initially this was conceived by J. Bruce Ismay and the senior management of the company as a small experiment in the first of the new ‘Olympic’ class liners, based in part on the lead made by the Hamburg-Amerika Line in this area. Had Olympic and Titanic been planned for the Liverpool to New York service it is unlikely this type of dining experience would have been incorporated in the planning of their 1st Class passenger accommodation. The transfer of the company’s express steamers to the Southampton-New York service, a direct challenge to the German, French and Dutch lines and an attempt to gain a larger proportion of the premium 1st Class business, meant these ships had to offer similar or enhanced facilities in order to entice passengers away from the competition. The extra charge Restaurant in Olympic and Titanic was an important part of this plan.
The Restaurant was only available for 1st Class passengers. They dined à la carte and were required to book tables in advance, sometimes described as an ordeal by those not used to the snobbish attitude of restaurant staff towards customers they considered of lower social rank, regardless of their financial standing. Despite some passenger reservations the experiment was such a success that the next Restaurant in Titanic was expanded to meet demand and included an adjoining café."
