Template:Did you know nominations/Light Weight Air Warning Radar
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 01:26, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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Light Weight Air Warning Radar
LW/AW Mark 1A
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that the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar was designed to break down into waterproof containers that fit in the Douglas DC-2, were taken ashore from a trawler in canoes, and in one case manpacked up 200 foot cliffs?Source: Minnett and Briton both detail the waterproof aspect and DC-2, Minnett relates it being brought ashore by canoe and quotes the cliffs- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sanjna
Created by Maury Markowitz (talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 201 past nominations.
Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC).
The hook needs to be shortened as it is over 200 characters. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)- ALT1:
that the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar was designed to break down into waterproof containers that could be taken ashore from a trawler in canoes, and manpacked up 200 foot cliffs?Source: Minnett and Briton both detail the waterproof aspect, Minnett relates it being brought ashore by canoe and quotes the cliffs Shortened version suggested. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
ALT1 has so much detail, that it tells the whole story and gives me no reason to click the link to read more. I recommend something much shorter. Flibirigit (talk) 02:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
Reviewing... Will do a full review for this within two days. Flibirigit (talk) 04:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
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Article was created on October 3, and nominated the same day. Length and sourcing are adequate. I am stil reviewing the article for neutrality, and have no yet decided. I found no plagiarism concerns. I note that this Earwig result highlights proper nouns and a properly attributed quote. The original hook was far too long. ALT1 is not hooky as per my above comment. The nominated image is clear at a low resolution, and used in the aticle. Depending on a reworded hook, it may or may not improve the hook. I also note that File:Mark 1A Light Weight Air Warning Radar. 6091121.jpg has already appeared in the picture slot of DYK on Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2018/November#9_November_2018. The QPQ requirement is insufficient since it only commented on eligibility, and was not a full review of all DYK criteria as per WP:DYKRR. Please provide a complete review for QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 15:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit: Let me know when you have decided. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Fort clarity, I do not expect any neutrality issues but I have not completely read the article. I shold have that completed by tomorrow. My primary concerns are the hook and QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 19:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- I did some minor copyediting, and no neutrality concerns noted. Please see above comments for the hooks and QPQ. Thanks for this nomination! Flibirigit (talk) 22:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Maury Markowitz: Are the above concerns resolved, as is this ready for re-review? Z1720 (talk) 15:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- No, it's not ready. No hooks have been proposed, and no valid QPQ has been supplied. I will continue my review when those are ready. Flibirigit (talk) 17:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Maury Markowitz: Are the above concerns resolved, as is this ready for re-review? Z1720 (talk) 15:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- I did some minor copyediting, and no neutrality concerns noted. Please see above comments for the hooks and QPQ. Thanks for this nomination! Flibirigit (talk) 22:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- Fort clarity, I do not expect any neutrality issues but I have not completely read the article. I shold have that completed by tomorrow. My primary concerns are the hook and QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 19:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 ... that the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar system was developed as a portable system to be quickly delivered to forward airfields? A possible hook; if you like it, Maury Markowitz (talk) or someone else would need to check and cite the sources (probably Minnett, but I can't access it to do this). Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 14:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- The new hook looks promising. We still need a valid QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 16:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have done another QPQ for Template:Did you know nominations/Oh My Mother!. Strongly prefer ALT1, and I'm at a loss why someone might not read an article because the hook is too interesting. I am dealing with my parent's wills for the next little while, so if immediate attention is needed, just close the nom. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 has been struck because it is too long. Flibirigit (talk) 01:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2 is the best hook of those proposed. But where exactly is it cited? It seems to be a summary of several sentences throughout the article. Each of which would need a citation at the end as per WP:DYKCRIT. I remain open to other hooks being proposed. Flibirigit (talk) 16:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Can you be more specific about the issue with ALT1? It meets all the requirements and is directly cited. You note it "gives me no reason to click the link to read more", but I would say it is precisely the opposite. Having written a similar hook for the Type 6, which got a surprisingly large number of views especially it was near the bottom of the DYK list, I'd like something more to work with. Maury Markowitz (talk) 23:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 is too long since it tells the whole story, and gives the reader no incentive to look at the article. It tells the reader why the radar was designed, how it was packed and moved, and where it was used. That's essentially the whole story, and does not hook the read into wanting to know more. Ideal hooks are short and snappy. A better hook would omit some of the facts and leave the reader wanting to know the rest, such as how or why. Please see WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 02:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Maury Markowitz: Please note that the nomination will time out in a few days. Given that ALT2 is the only remaining unrejected hook, albeit still with sourcing issues. If you want the nomination to continue and be approved, please address the sourcing issues with ALT2. Thank you. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1 is too long since it tells the whole story, and gives the reader no incentive to look at the article. It tells the reader why the radar was designed, how it was packed and moved, and where it was used. That's essentially the whole story, and does not hook the read into wanting to know more. Ideal hooks are short and snappy. A better hook would omit some of the facts and leave the reader wanting to know the rest, such as how or why. Please see WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 02:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
- Can you be more specific about the issue with ALT1? It meets all the requirements and is directly cited. You note it "gives me no reason to click the link to read more", but I would say it is precisely the opposite. Having written a similar hook for the Type 6, which got a surprisingly large number of views especially it was near the bottom of the DYK list, I'd like something more to work with. Maury Markowitz (talk) 23:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
- I have done another QPQ for Template:Did you know nominations/Oh My Mother!. Strongly prefer ALT1, and I'm at a loss why someone might not read an article because the hook is too interesting. I am dealing with my parent's wills for the next little while, so if immediate attention is needed, just close the nom. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
- The new hook looks promising. We still need a valid QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 16:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
ALT3: ...that in one case, the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar was taken ashore in canoes, and then manpacked up 200 foot cliffs? Maury Markowitz (talk) 00:10, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- Will review by the end of the day. Flibirigit (talk) 16:07, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- ALT3 is an improved hook, but I have several concerns. The wording "that in one case" is ambiguous whether it means "in one instance" or "in one package (such as a suitcase)". ALT3 also sounds as if the radar was transported up multiple cliffs, when it likely only went up one cliff, on one side of the fjord. The corresponding quote in the article makes no mention of "taken ashore" and uses "manhandled" instead of "manpacked". Lastly, as per WP:DYKHFC, each sentence in the quote needs a citation. ALT3 needs revisions as per above. I'm still open to revisiting ALT2, or any new hook proposed. Flibirigit (talk) 03:20, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Maury Markowitz and Flibirigit: The nomination is two months old as of today, meaning it has already technically timed-out. If issues are not addressed promptly, the nomination will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- It is very unnecessary to ping me on this nomination. Flibirigit (talk) 12:33, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- @Maury Markowitz and Flibirigit: The nomination is two months old as of today, meaning it has already technically timed-out. If issues are not addressed promptly, the nomination will be marked for closure. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
ALT4: ...that in one instance, the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar was once loaded using canoes and later manhandled up a 200 foot cliff? Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:38, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
Aprroving ALT4 (shortened). The hook is catchy, properly mentioend and cited without the quotebox of the "Into service" section. The QPQ has been provided, and the article adheres to other DYK criteria as per my above review. Flibirigit (talk) 14:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
