Template:Did you know nominations/La Storta
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Allen3 talk 10:15, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
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La Storta
[edit]... that the town of La Storta has a chapel, a piazza, and an annual feast day dedicated to the vision that Saint Ignatius experienced there in 1537?
- Reviewed: Burning of women in England
Created by Alekjds (talk). Self nominated at 15:46, 6 March 2014 (UTC).
Created and nominated on March 6, and is about 4kB, satisfying date and length criteria. DYK rules require each paragraph to have a citation, meaning that each of the "Name", "Education", and "Transportation" sections require a citation, as does the first paragraph of "Ecclesiastical territory". There is reference to Municipio XIX and Municipio XX, but these are historical administrative zones; could you please also mention the current administrative structure. The text states "Joannis II", but the source states "Johannis VIIII"; the source notes scribe confusion, but this isn't one of the entries corrected in the footnotes, so could you clarify this. The phrase "...Ignatius received a vision of God..." states as fact something that is only purported to have happened; the source itself provides no evidence that it occurred, it only repeats a story. Ref #6 states about the feast "per la prima volta nella sua storia"; the feast was first celebrated in 2011, a fact that perhaps should be mentioned in the article, as "the vision is still celebrated today with its own feast day" suggests this has been an ongoing event for many years. The statement beginning "Twelve of the fourteen..." is incomplete. The statement "a forested area 14 km from the Via Cassia" is wrong; the source appears to state it was 14km away from La Storta travelling along Via Cassia, not 14km away from the road. The statement "...cathedral building began in 1926..." is wrong; the source states construction was abandoned in 1926, restarted in 1948, and completed in 1950. Also, "funds from the United States" is partly true; the sources states "fondi raccolti anche negli Stati Uniti", that is also in the United States. The hook is short enough, but I have the same reservation about stating that the vision is a fact; qualifying it in some way, such as "...is said to have experienced", would solve this problem. QPQ completed. Overall, the issues for this article are minor. Mindmatrix 16:05, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you for the very thorough review. I have made some changes to the article in accord with the well-considered critiques that you have. Below, a new hook on your recommendation. — AJDS talk 06:42, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that La Storta has a chapel, a piazza, and an annual feast day dedicated to the vision that Saint Ignatius is said to have experienced there in 1537?
- Is La Storta a "town" or a "district within the city of Rome"? --PFHLai (talk) 15:40, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
- The sources appear to be unclear about this, and Italian doesn't distinguish between city (citta) and town. The sources refer to it as a zona (zone within one of the municipi, which I think is roughly equivalent to neighbourhood), territorio, and citta. I think zona is the most accurate, and should be the term used throughout the article. Mindmatrix 16:56, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
- The second half of 'Statio on the Via Francigena' is not sourced, nor is the first paragraph of 'Ecclesiastical territory'. Matty.007 17:04, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
- You're right. I missed the recent addition of the latter (despite editing the article after it was introduced); I've added a ref for part of the claim, and I'll wait for the author to add the remaining citations. Perhaps this map can suffice for the "...territory of which stretches..." claim. Mindmatrix 17:43, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
- I added the map as a ref, which supports the claim as far as I can see, but my first comment still needs fixing. Thanks, Matty.007 18:20, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
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- I didn't realize that the selection process for DYK was this intensive. Does every statement need to be sourced? The guidelines say "a rule of thumb is one inline citation per paragraph" (emphasis is mine!), and that paragraph already has more than one citation. I don't have a citation for the "San Giovanni in Nono" statement. It comes from the Italian Wikipedia, of which this article began as a translation. — AJDS talk 20:25, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, one ref that supports the entire paragraph, put at the end is the rule of thumb, but the end of the para is basically unsourced at the minute. Matty.007 20:36, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
- I've added a ref for you, which I found using a search engine with the search term "in nono". Mindmatrix 14:50, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
AGF on added foreign ref, I haven't checked anything, only noticed those source issues. Thanks, Matty.007 20:19, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
I suppose I shouldn't approve this as I've also made quite a few changes to the article. My initial review stands for the bulk of the article, so the new reviewer need only check my recent edits to the article to fix issues raised by Matty.007 and PFHLai. (Specifically, check that the three new sources support the claims, and removal of the use 'town' to use more acceptable terms given the ambiguous terms used in the sources.) Mindmatrix 20:45, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
This article is new enough and long enough. The word "town" has been removed from the article so I have also removed it from the hook. Good to go now. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:54, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
