Template:Did you know nominations/James Edward Moore
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The result was: promoted by Lightburst talk 18:45, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
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James Edward Moore
- ... that James Edward Moore was chief of staff of the Ninth United States Army, which Omar Bradley described as "uncommonly normal"? Source: * Bradley, Omar (1951). A Soldier's Story. New York: Henry Holt. p. 422. OCLC 981308947.
Created by Hawkeye7 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:55, 21 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/James Edward Moore; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Note this is not a creation as the nom says but rather a 5x expansion (over 7x in fact), but that's of no significance. Article length and filing date okay. Neutrality good, sourcing good. QPQ done.
- Not so sure about the hook, which seems to be derived from the William Hood Simpson article, as does some other of the text (such as a section of the text starting with There were sufficient artillery pieces in the area but not sufficient ammunition ...). I like the hookiness of "uncommonly normal", especially with the implicit comparison to Patton, but how much of that is due to Simpson and how much to Moore? The Bradley page in question only mentions Simpson. I get that an effective chief-of-staff is a key ingredient to achieving normality in a situation like this, but it would be good to have something in the article explicitly state that. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:19, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- There's a whole book about the relationship between the two men: Nance, William Stuart (2023). Commanding Professionalism: Simpson, Moore and the Ninth US Army. Lexington, Kentucky: University Press of Kentucky. ISBN 978-0-8131-9926-9. OCLC 1382695841.. Simpson chose Moore, whom he knew well. Simpson and Moore then selected a staff dominated by Command and Staff College graduates. Simpson let Moore run the show. More than any other Army commander, Simpson worked through his staff. So the normality was desired by Simpson and created by Moore. Nance repeats the phrase many times over, but I quoted from the original source, Bradley. Much of the First Army's reputation for being difficult to get along with is traceable to William B. Kean and Hobart R. Gay did little to ameliorate Patton's faults. Both Kean and Gay commanded divisions in Korea and were relieved of command. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 02:47, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- Not so sure about the hook, which seems to be derived from the William Hood Simpson article, as does some other of the text (such as a section of the text starting with There were sufficient artillery pieces in the area but not sufficient ammunition ...). I like the hookiness of "uncommonly normal", especially with the implicit comparison to Patton, but how much of that is due to Simpson and how much to Moore? The Bradley page in question only mentions Simpson. I get that an effective chief-of-staff is a key ingredient to achieving normality in a situation like this, but it would be good to have something in the article explicitly state that. Wasted Time R (talk) 00:19, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for the confirmation. Hopefully readers intrigued by the hook/article will get ahold of the book. Good to go. Wasted Time R (talk) 10:19, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
