Template:Did you know nominations/Hun speech

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 17:51, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Hun speech

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~~... that Wilhelm II once advised his soldiers to behave in China like the Huns behaved a thousand years ago?~~ Source: e.g. https://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=755&language=english
- ALT1: ... that Wilhelm II once demanded of his soldiers embarking for China to give no quarter and to take no prisoners? Source: e.g. https://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=755&language=english

Created by WatkynBassett (talk). Self-nominated at 19:11, 14 April 2022 (UTC).

Reviewed: Exempt, only one previous DYK — Maile (talk) 20:38, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - n

QPQ: None required.

Overall: --evrik ^(talk) 18:34, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Alt 2 ~~"... that no transcript exists of Wilhelm II's 1900 Hun speech?~~--evrik ^(talk) 18:34, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to review my submission and giving valuable advice. However, I have some concerns regarding Alt 2, as it implies that nobody transcribed the speech which is probably not true as some journalists wrote it down in shorthand as it was delivered. Therefore, I would still prefer my original or Alt 1, but I take your point that they might not be the most interesting hooks. Maybe someone else has an opinion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by WatkynBassett (talk • contribs) 16:18, April 26, 2022 (UTC)

Honestly, at this time of war, I am leery of hooks that whiff of genocide. --evrik ^(talk) 21:54, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

This is in fact a point I take to heart. Maybe we then could use a negative view of the speech as a hook?
Alt 3 ... that the former Chancellor of the German Empire, Bernhard von Bülow, called the 1900 Hun speech the "worst speech of that time and perhaps the most damaging that Wilhelm II's ever gave"? WatkynBassett (talk) 14:09, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

~~Approving Alt 3 for the promoter~~. --evrik ^(talk) 15:15, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I offer the following for the promoter
Alt 3a ... that the former German Chancellor, Bernhard von Bülow, called Wilhelm II's 1900 "Hun speech" the "worst speech of that time and perhaps the most damaging that Wilhelm ever gave"?

--evrik ^(talk) 15:15, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Wow, that was quick! Alt 3a works very well for me. Thank you for your kind offer, which I gladly accept! But I would suggest one final change, as I have now found an authoritative translation of the specific statement by Christopher Clark. Therefore, I would suggest the following Alt 3b :
Alt 3b ... that the former German Chancellor, Bernhard von Bülow, called Wilhelm II's 1900 "Hun speech" the "worst speech of that time and perhaps the most disgraceful speech that Wilhelm II [had] ever given"? WatkynBassett (talk) 15:41, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

--evrik ^(talk) 15:52, 27 April 2022 (UTC)