Template:Did you know nominations/Hugo Krabbe
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The result was: promoted by Valereee (talk) 20:20, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
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Hugo Krabbe
Portrait of Hugo Krabbe by Carl Albert Feldmann (1937), Leiden University Libraries
- ... that according to Hugo Krabbe (pictured), law is the only sovereign in a modern state? Source: La Torre, Massimo (2010). Law as Institution. Law and Philosophy Library. Vol. 90. Dordrecht London: Springer. pp. 20–21. doi:10.1007/978-1-4020-6607-8. ISBN 978-1-4020-6606-1. OCLC 668098876. "In opposition to the theory of “State sovereignty” common to much thinking in positive law (...) he [Krabbe] sets up a theory of the “sovereignty of law” (...) Krabbe several times asserts that his theory, far from being merely prescriptive, instead describes the reality of contemporary legal phenomena (...) His “doctrine of the sovereignty of law” is, according to him, founded on actually recording the developments of the modern shape of the State. The modern State can no longer, in his view, be identified with the figure, however preeminent, of a king, emperor, prince or sovereign, nor can political and legal action, in the modern State, be said to emanate from the will of a particular individual. The State is today impersonal, and as such, therefore, borne upon law".
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Improved to Good Article status by Gitz6666 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:44, 18 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Hugo Krabbe; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Date (recent GA status), size, copyvio spotcheck, sources, neutrality, all good. This seems like the author's first DYK so QPQ is not necessary. My only concern is the hook, which seems bland. I'd recommend that the author considers submittign an alt hook that includes, perhaps, the word controversy. The article states that Krabbe developed a theory of law and state that was destined to stir up much controversy in the interwar period
. Readers are more likely to click and read the article if we pique their interested with this word. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 01:58, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- @Piotrus: I think you're right! So what do you think about one of the two following hooks?
- (Did you know) ... that Hugo Krabbe (pictured) stirred up much controversy in the interwar period by arguing that the law, not the state, is the true sovereign?
- (Did you know) ... that Hugo Krabbe (pictured) stirred up much controversy in the interwar period by conceiving of international law as a supranational law based on a universal legal consciousness? --Gitz (talk) (contribs) 02:29, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Gitz6666, Both seem good. If you could just provide a reference to support one or both here, then we can finish this review and wait for the promotionto the DYK queue :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Piotrus, both hooks are based, first of all, on Kranenburg 1937a, p. 157–158 ("This doctrine has not gone unchallenged, on the contrary. Krabbe's Die Lehre der Rechtssouveränität, published in 1906, has been one of the most controversial books in our sciences, as has De Moderne Staatsidee, published in 1915" - google translation) re
stirred up much controversy
; and they are both based on the references to Hans Kelsen 1920 and Carl Schmitt 1922 provided in the article rein the interwar period
. The first hook is based on La Torre, Massimo (2010). Law as Institution (quoted above: "In opposition to the theory of “State sovereignty” common to much thinking in positive law (...) he [Krabbe] sets up a theory of the “sovereignty of law”") reby arguing that the law, not the state, is the true sovereign
. The second hook is based on Navari, Cornelia (2021). "The Recovery of Vitoria and Suarez, and the Apprehension of a World Society: Krabbe, Verdross and Leon Duguit". Palgrave Macmillan. p. 110 ("Krabbe conceived of international law not as a law between states but as a supranational law anchored in a universal legal conscience") reby conceiving of international law as a supranational law based on a universal legal consciousness
. Maybe the second hook is more appealing? I don't know... you choose! Thanks, --Gitz (talk) (contribs) 03:00, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
Gitz6666 Thank you for providing references. Both hooks seem good, the promoting admin can chose their favorite. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:46, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
- Piotrus, both hooks are based, first of all, on Kranenburg 1937a, p. 157–158 ("This doctrine has not gone unchallenged, on the contrary. Krabbe's Die Lehre der Rechtssouveränität, published in 1906, has been one of the most controversial books in our sciences, as has De Moderne Staatsidee, published in 1915" - google translation) re
- Gitz6666, Both seem good. If you could just provide a reference to support one or both here, then we can finish this review and wait for the promotionto the DYK queue :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:39, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
