Template:Did you know nominations/Hannibal (network)
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The result was: promoted by Amkgp (talk) 14:00, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
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Hannibal (network)
- ... that the far-right "Hannibal" network has been likened to a "shadow army"?
- Reviewed: 1958 Lebanese presidential election
- Comment: See NYT reference:
Some German news media have referred to a “shadow army,” drawing parallels to the 1920s, when nationalist cells within the military hoarded arms, plotted coups and conspired to overthrow democracy
, as well as the title of 2 ("Hannibals Schattenarmee", which translates to "Hannibal's shadow army").
Created by Blablubbs (talk). Self-nominated at 14:14, 26 November 2020 (UTC).
New enough, long enough, adequately referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. Image is freely licensed. QPQ done.- However, the article doesn't seem to meet Rule D7. The lead speaks about the group in the past tense—what happened to it? The third paragraph under History just sort of fades out and it's not clear what happened to it since 2017 or why it ended. Is there any more information you can add here to establish notability, especially in the lead? Also, the hook fact needs an inline cite in the article. And the article is an orphan; please link it in at least one other Wikipedia article. Yoninah (talk) 20:04, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Yoninah, hi, thanks for the feedback. I've cited the NYT source directly inline now. Notability should be no problem, there is significant coverage in German-speaking sources (see e.g. this list of articles in the taz alone about Hannibal and groups linked to it). English-language coverage is sparser however, which is why I relied so heavily on the two big NYT pieces (I didn't want to refbomb the lead just to establish notability). The "closure" aspect is a harder nut to crack. We do know that as soon as Schmitt learned of the terror investigations against Franco A., who was linked to the Day X plot, he ordered the chat groups to be deleted. I can add that. There were also a number of investigations, police raids and court proceedings targeted at groups affiliated with the network, but unbundling that in a comprehensible way would require massive expansion of the article. But I'll do my best to try and add a summary paragraph over the next few days, if that sounds good to you. Thanks again and best, Blablubbs (talk) 20:27, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Blablubbs: Thank you. The article could use some closure. We have a resident German speaker, Gerda Arendt, who may be able to help you with the German language sources, although Mr. Google also does a fine job IMO. Best, Yoninah (talk) 20:32, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Yoninah, I'll do my best. I'm a native speaker of German too – my reluctance was mainly because I wanted to use more accessible sources wherever possible. But I'll happily accept Gerda's help if she's interested in working on the article. :) Blablubbs talk 20:38, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- @Blablubbs: Great! BTW the way you are signing your posts, with a vertical line (|) after your name, is erasing everything that comes after. I removed it again so you can see my post. Yoninah (talk) 20:41, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
- Yoninah Whoops, thanks for the headsup. I've inserted nowiki tags now, so it should be fixed. Blablubbs|talk 20:46, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
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- Hi Yoninah, I have added a short "closure" paragraph now; I've also included two new sources and de-orphaned the article. It could (and should) obviously still be significantly expanded – this is a massive and complex case – but I hope it is more rounded now. I'd appreciate any feedback you may have. Best, Blablubbs|talk 13:02, 2 December 2020 (UTC)
