Template:Did you know nominations/Han Qing
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:49, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
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Han Qing
[edit]... that despite setting the competition record in the 200 meters sprint at the 1990 Asian Games, by the 1994 Games Han Qing had switched to the 400 meters hurdles?
Created by Sillyfolkboy. Nominated by Mobile Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) at 14:58, 18 November 2015 (UTC).
Article is new enough, long enough, and neutrally written. However, I don'f find the hook interesting enough. To me the most interesting fact from the article is her winning the gold medal in 1994 but getting disqualified for doping. It's negative, but since it was a major, well publicized scandal that ended her career, I don't think it'll be against BLP policy to feature that. -Zanhe (talk) 08:55, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that four years after Chinese track and field athlete Han Qing set the Asian Games record in the 200 metres sprint, she was given a ban for doping that effectively ended her career?- ALT2: ... that four years after Han Qing set the Asian Games record in the 200 metres sprint, she tested positive for using dihydrotestosterone and was given a ban that effectively ended her career?
- Zanhe: I've proposed some alts above. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 00:41, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- article is fine, but there are concerns with these new hooks. The sentence "However, this mark was not to stand as she was disqualified after giving a urine test that was positive for the banned substance Dihydrotestosterone." does not end in an inline citation. The next citation is Deseret News, which I'm guessing it's based on. However, this is still stretching the facts a little, as it does not mention she was banned and says "FINA officials said the results of those tests indicated possible drug use among several other Chinese women, but were inconclusive." The hooks themselves are great, but just need to have an inline citation or two, which states exactly what is being claimed. Jolly Ω Janner 06:40, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
- This is Sillyfolkboy's article. I'm really not familiar with the sources or the available sources. Perhaps he or she would be able to fix this? The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 18:32, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
- @The Squirrel Conspiracy and Jolly Janner: I've added an extra relevant citation to support the sentence. Cheers! SFB 13:42, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
- @Sillyfolkboy:, the following paragraph is only backed up by one citation, which contains the times and positions of the the first three athletes in the event: "Han had a rapid rise in the 1990 season, going from a relatively unknown athlete to the 200 m gold medallist at the 1990 Asian Games in Beijing, breaking the Asian Games record with a time of 23.42 seconds and defeating the more experienced Wang Huei-chen and Tian Yumei (who was the 100 m champion). This made her the first Chinese of either sex to win the Asian Games title over that distance, and as of 2014 she remains the only one to have done so.[1]". Although, we're not assessing articles for GA status here, the last sentence's claim is easily disputable and needs an inline citation or removal. The other problem is that the new record for the Asian Games is the basis for both proposed hooks, so that too needs an inline citation. The New Straits Times article checks out that she was banned, so well done on that. Jolly Ω Janner 17:46, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Jolly Janner: I've added in a couple of cites for the 200m medallists as the given citation hasn't been updated since 2002. Wikipedia is basically the only place that lists all medallists in one place at the moment. SFB 22:46, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
- The document from IAAF checks out that she is the ASI record holder at the time of its publication. However, I am concerned that the articles states "as of 2014" when the publication dates to 2011. Is this why the news article from IAAF was added? It says that the 2014 200m winner was from Kazakhstan. The new inline citations were added at the end of the sentence "This made her the first Chinese of either sex to win the Asian Games title over that distance, and as of 2014 she remains the only one to have done so." yet they show nothing of the sort. They should have been added at the end of preceeding sentence. If it is not possible to backup the claim that she remains the only Chinese person to have won the 200 m at the Asian Games, then it should be removed from the article. Jolly Ω Janner 00:59, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
- @Jolly Janner: It's all there. Please see pages 376 to 378 of the IAAF citation I provided which lists all the 200 m winners from 1951 to 2010. The additional 2014 report cite covers the winners from that year, which do not feature in the IAAF Statistics book. How you find this fact easily disputable, I don't really understand. I suggest we move this conversation to the article talk page as this has nothing to the DYK nomination, which has been needlessly pushed into the backlog as a result. SFB 18:55, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
