Template:Did you know nominations/HMS Rinaldo (1808)
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Vaticidalprophet talk 13:15, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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HMS Rinaldo (1808)
... that HMS Rinaldo was attacked on the orders of Napoleon Bonaparte? Source: Clowes, William Laird (1997) [1900]. The Royal Navy, A History from the Earliest Times to 1900, Volume V. London: Chatham Publishing. p. 493. ISBN 1-86176-014-0.ALT1: ... that HMS Rinaldo once took six days to escort a convoy from Spithead to Ramsgate? Source: Divall, Carole (2009). Redcoats against Napoleon : the 30th Regiment during the revolutionary and Napoleonic Wars. Barnsley: Pen and Sword. p. 131. ISBN 9781844158515.- ALT2: "... that during the 'coffin brig' HMS Rinaldo's first three years of service, she captured five ships and sank another?" Source: "No. 16310". The London Gazette. 28 October 1809. p. 1711. "No. 16404". The London Gazette. 11 September 1810. p. 1412. "No. 167576". The London Gazette. 18 February 1812. p. 340.
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Created by Ykraps (talk). Self-nominated at 14:04, 24 September 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/HMS Rinaldo (1808); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Ykraps Article is new, long enough, referenced well, and not plagiarized per the checker. It could do with a copyedit, but I've fixed up the most problematic bits. To the hook, I'll accept the source with good faith, but the article says that Napoleon ordered an attack on Naiad, not Rinaldo. Do you have an alternative hook? Couple small thoughts too: What does "sinking one of 16 guns" mean? And surely someone told Napoleon that Naiad was lying off the coast/didn't discover it himself? Ed [talk] [OMT] 19:28, 27 September 2023 (UTC)
- @The ed17: You're right, neither the article nor the source say Rinaldo was present at that point. I took the hook from the lede, which I wrote from memory, without reference to the article. What about the alternative hook above?
- Regarding your other points: I did not mean to insinuate that Napoleon was the sole discoverer but have changed to 'on learning that'. I have also tried to clarify that the privateer was a vessel of 16 guns. Is there anything else that needs a copy edit? --Ykraps (talk) 19:32, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Ykraps: It doesn't feel very exciting. How about "... that during the 'coffin brig' HMS Rinaldo's career, it captured five ships and sank another?" Assuming the sources support that and the math adds up. Copyediting isn't a barrier to DYK promotion, it's just recommended for clunky phrases like "They were not as well armed nor as highly regarded as the larger Cruizer class[2] but were nimble; quick to change tack and with a smaller crew, more economical to run."Ed [talk] [OMT] 03:01, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- @The ed17: As she shared prizes in later actions, what about "... that during the 'coffin brig' HMS Rinaldo's first three years of service, she captured five ships and sank another?" --Ykraps (talk) 17:59, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Ykraps: That works for me! And just to confirm because we're working across paragraphs and sources, all the sources and math add up? I'm happy to AGF that, particularly as most of the sources are offline, but I'd like a written confirmation. :-) Ed [talk] [OMT] 18:55, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- @The ed17: For online confirmation this [[1]] mentions the French ketch on 12/3/1809, this [[2]] for Marauder on 7/12/1809, this [[3]] for the smuggler on 5/1/1810, and this [[4]] covers captures of Speculation on 15/5/1811 and Hope on 21/9/1810, and the French privateer sunk on the 17/12/1810. Hope that's all okay now. --Ykraps (talk) 20:54, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, you wanted me to confirm the sum adds up and the sources support it. Yes, it all looks good. --Ykraps (talk) 21:02, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Ykraps: That works for me! And just to confirm because we're working across paragraphs and sources, all the sources and math add up? I'm happy to AGF that, particularly as most of the sources are offline, but I'd like a written confirmation. :-) Ed [talk] [OMT] 18:55, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- @The ed17: As she shared prizes in later actions, what about "... that during the 'coffin brig' HMS Rinaldo's first three years of service, she captured five ships and sank another?" --Ykraps (talk) 17:59, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
- @Ykraps: It doesn't feel very exciting. How about "... that during the 'coffin brig' HMS Rinaldo's career, it captured five ships and sank another?" Assuming the sources support that and the math adds up. Copyediting isn't a barrier to DYK promotion, it's just recommended for clunky phrases like "They were not as well armed nor as highly regarded as the larger Cruizer class[2] but were nimble; quick to change tack and with a smaller crew, more economical to run."Ed [talk] [OMT] 03:01, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
