Template:Did you know nominations/Gizzle
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:53, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
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Gizzle
[edit]- ... that American rapper Gizzle worked as a ghostwriter for other hip hop artists before releasing her debut mixtape in 2017? Source: [1]
- Reviewed: Reginald Wilenski
Created by Joe Roe (talk). Self-nominated at 07:49, 27 July 2018 (UTC).
New enough, created 26 July/nom 27 July; long enough, 3268 char; no apparent copyvios, cited, neutral. Hook 106 char, under max; interesting; in the article. QPQ done. The issue is that she wasn't a ghostwriter for ten years. The source says that when she first started she was a ghost writer. The cited source and others show her later work was credited. Is there a way to rephrase the hook? SusunW (talk) 17:41, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks SusunW.
- Hmm. The sources quite consistently refer to a her as a ghostwriter. From the ref above (2017): "South L.A. Rapper Gizzle Has Ghostwritten for All the Dudes. Now She's Writing for Herself. [...] After 10 years of developing other artists’ sounds..." In this context ghostwriter means she received legal credit for her work but it was not publicly acknowledged, not that it was completely secret (see the Pitchfork article, for example). Her first feature credit on a studio track was in 2015 and her first solo release was in 2017. I went with the latter because I thought it was the more significant career milestone, not because she stopped ghostwriting at that point. She performs under her own name now, but her writing for others is still not overtly credited. In that sense she is still a ghostwriter, per the sources, so I do think the hook is accurate as is. Is there an alternative wording you would be more happy with? – Joe (talk) 19:07, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- Joe Roe Thanks for responding so quickly. Not trying to be a hard nose, but don't want somebody down the road to pull it for inaccuracy. If she got credit, she wasn't ghosting, per the definition of the term in 4 dictionaries. Maybe you can just get rid of the "for"? SusunW (talk) 19:24, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
- @SusunW: If we follow that definition through, she was never a ghostwriter :). But I think its usage in hip hop is slightly different, cf. Ghostwriter#Popular music.
- How about the modified version of the hook above? – Joe (talk) 07:51, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
- Joe Roe Thanks for responding so quickly. Not trying to be a hard nose, but don't want somebody down the road to pull it for inaccuracy. If she got credit, she wasn't ghosting, per the definition of the term in 4 dictionaries. Maybe you can just get rid of the "for"? SusunW (talk) 19:24, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
