Template:Did you know nominations/Geoffrey Kabat

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 11:53, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Geoffrey Kabat

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~~... that American epidemiologist Geoffrey Kabat co-authored a 2003 study concluding that passive smoking was not associated with increased mortality?~~

Created by Everymorning (talk). Self nominated at 02:55, 1 February 2015 (UTC).

Note: I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/1912 White House intrusion for QPQ. Everymorning talk 03:04, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

The article is plenty long enough, and the article was nominated within the required time after creation. The hook is interesting, and appropriately cited inline. Spotchecks reveal no evidence of copyvio or close para-phrasing. Good to go. Harrias ^talk 15:23, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

I pulled this from prep because Kabat's text, as quoted here [1] is

No significant associations were found for current or former exposure to environmental tobacco smoke ... The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect....Given the limitations of the underlying data in this and other studies of environmental tobacco smoke and the small size of the risk, it seems premature to conclude that environmental tobacco smoke causes death from coronary heart disease and lung cancer.

"Results do not support a causal relation [but] do not rule out a small effect" is quite different from the hook's "concluded that [there's no association]". BTW I think that any hook along these lines should mention the tobacco-industry sponsorship and the conflict some sources point out between this study and others on the subject. Come to think of it there might be a notability problem here too, but that's just a thought in passing. EEng (talk) 17:47, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Adding icon to cancel out previous tick, indicate that this does have issues, and prevent this from showing up as Verified. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:53, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
- ALT1: ~~... that a 2003 study co-authored by Geoffrey Kabat concluded that its results did not support an association between passive smoking and increased mortality?~~ Everymorning talk 19:31, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I reiterate that the hook should mention the sponsorship by tobacco interests. EEng (talk) 00:10, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Ah, right, I must have missed that part, sorry. So I will propose another:

ALT2: ;;; that a 2003 study co-authored by Geoffrey Kabat and co-sponsored by the tobacco industry concluded that its results did not support a causal relation between passive smoking and mortality? Everymorning talk 00:15, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

New reviewer needed to check ALT2 hook for sourcing and neutrality. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

I've checked Alt2, and I believe that it is neutral and is directly cited both to the actual report (which is offline) as well as the source for the quote in the article (which is online) which is used for the information in this hook. Based on that and prior reviews of other elements, this is good to go. Miyagawa (talk) 20:37, 19 March 2015 (UTC)