Template:Did you know nominations/Gösta Neuwirth

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:57, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Gösta Neuwirth

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• ... that the Austrian composer and musicologist Gösta Neuwirth had to move from Vienna to Berlin to write his dissertation on harmony in Schreker's Der ferne Klang? Source: several

• Reviewed: XHCPBS-FM
• Comment: the reason would be interesting but hard to word, at least for me

Created by LouisAlain (talk) and Gerda Arendt (talk). Nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk) at 15:43, 3 February 2020 (UTC).

• This article is new enough and long enough. The hook facts are cited inline and the article is neutral. I detected no copyvios, the sources being mostly in German. A QPQ has been done. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:11, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

• There's a lack of clarity surrounding the dissertation topics that leads me to doubt that this hook is strictly accurate. Was it the rejection of Neuwirth's original dissertation topic of Webern that led to his leaving the Vienna doctoral program? Or was the topic rejection effectively a dismissal from the program? Clearly if the rejection was anti-semitic, then Schreker would have been a non-starter as an alternate dissertation topic, as Schreker was Jewish, unlike Webern, so it seems unlikely that the Schreker topic was even on the table prior to his move. The timeline appears to be University in Vienna doctoral program, rejection, move to Graz to be a journalist for a short while, then move to Berlin to get a doctorate. (That's the degruyter source, which mentions Webern by name but not "anti-Semitism" that I can see, but that source is not translatable so I could easily have missed it; the SWR Donaueschinger source says it was the University of Graz and uses "antisemitischen" but not Webern.) The hook implies that something about the Schreker dissertation, once settled on, needed to be written in Berlin rather than Vienna, and there doesn't seem to be anything in the article supporting that implication or that Schreker was even thought of prior to his arrival in Berlin. I've struck the original hook; the anti-Semitism with Webern would make an interesting hook. The article mentions that Erich Schenk did the topic rejection, but I don't see that in the degruyter source, so he certainly can't be used in any new hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:16, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

I rewrote the section in more chronological order, dropping the prof's name (although it's in de_WP) and the antisemitism (too vaguely sourced, - "Graz University" probably an error.) - If someone want s to return any of these, for a more hooky hook, please with better sources.

ALT1: ... that Gösta Neuwirth studied composition and musicology in Vienna, but wrote his dissertation, on harmony in Schreker's opera Der ferne Klang, in Berlin? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:22, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

• I think ALT1 is acceptable. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 15:25, 18 March 2020 (UTC)