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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 03:39, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

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Improved to Good Article status by Dr. Blofeld (talk). Nominated by Oceanh (talk) at 21:19, 25 October 2015 (UTC).

@Oceanh: @LavaBaron: I'm going to have to object to the hook on this. I think the hook should be something much grander like "that American music critic Robert Christgau referred to Frank Sinatra as "the greatest singer of the 20th century". I've also moved this from Oct 25 to special holding area. It's his centenary on December 12th and I think we should reserve this for the lead article of DYK and make an exception to host it for a full 24 hours on December 12th. I originally intended taking it to FA but I'm content to settle for GA. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:16, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Excellent points, Dr. Blofeld. I rather prefer the original hook simply because I don't think there's a lot of ambiguity that Sinatra was among the, if not the, greatest singers of the 20th century, while the current hook provides something I didn't already know. That said, my view on the matter may be Anglospheric and I think the alt you suggested is definitely worthy of consideration. Also, hosting this for 24 hours on 12DEC is a great idea. If it's okay with you I'll transfer responsibility for the review to you? I'm not using this a QPQ and I'm afraid I'll forget about it otherwise. LavaBaron (talk) 16:37, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Sure LavaBaron I do think though we could have a more elaborate hook or make a special article snippet summary with some core facts though for a special treat. I'll request and brainstorm ideas on the talk page of DYK.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:48, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Comment: First, congratulations with a great job on this article! I agree that more exciting hooks than my first suggestion can easily be found in the article. Just go ahead and propose one or two alternative hooks, and hopefully a reviewer will approve it. The original hook was chosen due to similar considerations that LavaBaron gives above. A fact that probably is not widely known, neutral and without peacock phrases. And of course, it is a good idea to run this on the day of his centenary. Also, don't forget the "On this day" column, where possibly Sinatra could be mentioned on December 12th, as "one of the greatest ...". Oceanh (talk) 20:05, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
Unsigned icon added by Yoninah (talk) 13:53, 28 October 2015 (UTC), moved out of nominator's comment by "OceanBot". I made a comment above, but it is not the nominator's role to add question icons, nor should it appear as if the nominator added the icon. The nominator's role is to try to resolve issues raised by other editors. Oceanh (talk) 09:27, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment: Spelled out Blofeld's suggested alternative hook (see above). Oceanh (talk) 10:09, 1 November 2015 (UTC)
  • Article nominated on same day as it received GA status. New enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced, no close paraphrasing seen. I think the ALT1 hook is very good for the lead image spot, as many younger readers may not have even heard of him. ALT1 hook ref verified and cited inline. QPQ done. Image is freely licensed. This is one of the best articles I've ever seen on Wikipedia. Congratulations, Dr. B.! Yoninah (talk) 13:59, 4 November 2015 (UTC)

Thankyou Yoninah, that means a lot coming from somebody as experienced as you. I've proposed Dec 12th 2015 as Frank Sinatra Day for DYK, see Wikipedia talk:Did you know, anybody can offer their support for it. I'm pleasantly surprised to already see some further articles proposed here from others which can go towards it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:58, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: per the consensus at WT:DYK, we're going to run two different lead hooks with two different images over the 24-hour period of the Frank Sinatra centenary. The "younger" image will run in the first 12 hours and the "older" image in the second. Most editors agreed that both lead hooks will direct to the same article, Frank Sinatra. Would you like to propose a second hook for this article so I can approve it? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:34, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Miyagawa can pick one!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:21, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Here's a couple that jump out at me from his early life:
Alt2:... that Frank Sinatra (pictured) was a member of the Hoboken Four musical group which won first prize on the Major Bowes Amateur Hour?
Alt3:... that after gaining a job as a singing waiter in 1938, Frank Sinatra (pictured) boasted that he would "become so big that no one could ever touch him"?
Alt4:... that a desire to compete with Bing Crosby led to Frank Sinatra (pictured) going solo in 1942?
Happy to hear any other suggestions - there's a lot of potential there (although I just realised that Frank Sinatra and the 3 Flashes could do with an expansion too! Miyagawa (talk) 21:26, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Ooh, ALT3 is really good, playing off that "greatest singer ever" theme we're doing. ALT3 hook ref AGF and cited inline. Image is freely-licensed. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 23:24, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

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FINAL NOMINATION WRAP-UP

Here are the two approved lead hooks and images for December 12, Frank Sinatra centenary:
  • Hook 1 (first 12 hours) - run with the younger image
Frank Sinatra c. 1943
Frank Sinatra c. 1943
... that after gaining a job as a singing waiter in 1938, Frank Sinatra (pictured) boasted that he would "become so big that no one could ever touch him"?
  • Hook 2 (second 12 hours) - run with the older image
Frank Sinatra in 1957
Frank Sinatra in 1957
... that American music critic Robert Christgau called Frank Sinatra (pictured) "the greatest singer of the 20th century"?
Yoninah (talk) 23:24, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
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