The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by 97198 (talk) 10:53, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
ALT1: ... that the predecessor to the modern flag of Colorado(pictured) was never flown publicly and instead sat in a custodial closet at the state capitol? Source: same as ALT0
Overall: I would just like to say that I am a new reviewer and I am requesting another, more experienced reviewer to look at this nomination. The article has been expanded 5x times. It is neutral, nicely-sourced and plagiarism free. All four hooks are cited and interesting (I like the third one (ALT2) the most) and I believe they appeal to a wide audience. LefcentrerightDiscuss 18:19, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Lefcentreright, thanks for the review. For whichever user picks up the review from here, I have added a QPQ above. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 03:36, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
Giving a second opinion here, I think I actually prefer the original hook since it seems to be more eye-catching and surprising. I honestly find ALT2 (the original reviewer's preferred option) rather bland. My main concern is that ALT0 is slightly misleading: the hook wording implies that it is the DAR that suggested the current flag, when in fact their proposal was rejected and the current flag was proposed by someone else. If ALT0 doesn't work out, ALT1 is my back-up choice. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:36, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, that's a valid point you make about ALT0; I've tried some alternatives below. I also found another fact or two that might be interesting as a hook, which I have added as ALT4 and ALT5 above.
If any of these needs tweaking or if another hook is needed let me know and I can find another one. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:06, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
After giving this some thought, sadly I think we'll need to shelve ALT0 and its variants unless you're willing to make that a non-image hook. The problem here is that, no matter what, having the picture next to ALT0 and its variants could confuse readers and make them think that the DAR proposed the current flag of Colorado. A possible solution would be to remove "(pictured)" and have ALT0b (probably the most accurate version) run as a non-image hook. Of course, that would mean that the hook won't be in the image slot: would you be fine with that? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:37, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, I think that's a totally fair observation. I hope this doesn't sound too selfish but my first choice would be having the image hook if that's at all possible; I'd happily support ALT1 and ALT4 (probably in that order of preference) as image hooks before ALT0b, though if an image hook space is not a viable option then ALT0 or ALT0b would be my pick. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 05:43, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Okay, I think I know what we can do here. I'm approving ALT0 without the image, and ALT1 can be an image hook if the promoter desires. Basically, if ALT1 is chosen by the promoter, it can be an image hook or it can be not (it's up to the promoter). But if the promoter chooses ALT0, it should not be in the image slot for reasons I mentioned above. Like the nominator I have a slight preference for ALT0 (I think not putting an image solves my concerns about wording, so in such cases ALT0a/b are unnecessary), but I will leave the final decision to the promoter. Rest of the review is per Lefcentreright. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
Narutolovehinata5, that's a fair compromise - thanks very much for your patience and for working through the rest of this review. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 02:39, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
I would just like to say that I am a new reviewer and I am requesting another, more experienced reviewer to look at this nomination. The article has been expanded 5x times. It is neutral, nicely-sourced and plagiarism free. All four hooks are cited and interesting (I like the third one (ALT2) the most) and I believe they appeal to a wide audience. LefcentrerightDiscuss 18:19, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
Giving a second opinion here, I think I actually prefer the original hook since it seems to be more eye-catching and surprising. I honestly find ALT2 (the original reviewer's preferred option) rather bland. My main concern is that ALT0 is slightly misleading: the hook wording implies that it is the DAR that suggested the current flag, when in fact their proposal was rejected and the current flag was proposed by someone else. If ALT0 doesn't work out, ALT1 is my back-up choice. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:36, 9 July 2022 (UTC)
Okay, I think I know what we can do here. I'm approving ALT0 without the image, and ALT1 can be an image hook if the promoter desires. Basically, if ALT1 is chosen by the promoter, it can be an image hook or it can be not (it's up to the promoter). But if the promoter chooses ALT0, it should not be in the image slot for reasons I mentioned above. Like the nominator I have a slight preference for ALT0 (I think not putting an image solves my concerns about wording, so in such cases ALT0a/b are unnecessary), but I will leave the final decision to the promoter. Rest of the review is per Lefcentreright. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
