Template:Did you know nominations/Ephraim Grizzard
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:05, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
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Ephraim Grizzard
[edit]... that Ephraim Grizzard was lynched in front of a mob of 10,000 in Nashville, Tennessee, on April 30, 1892?"The Mob Had Its Way. Ephraim Grizzard Taken from Jail at Nashville and Lynched". The Richmond Item. Richmond, Virginia. May 2, 1892. p. 2. Retrieved April 27, 2018 – via Newspapers.com.- ALT1:
... that Ida B. Wells described the 1892 lynching of Ephraim Grizzard as "A naked, bloody example of the blood-thirstiness of the nineteenth century civilization of the Athens of the South."?Wells, Ida Bell (1892). "United States atrocities: lynch law". LSE Selected Pamphlets: 7. Retrieved April 27, 2018 – via JSTOR.
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Created by Zigzig20s (talk). Self-nominated at 05:41, 27 April 2018 (UTC).
- Questions:
- The article looks to me like about the lynching, not the person, - shouldn't it be called Lynching of Ephraim Grizzard? See Lynching of Jesse Washington. (IF you move, don't move this template.)
- Can you get the brother closer to Ephraim in the first sentence, to avoid "family and his brother"?
- Do we know a bit more background, of Nashville, of him?
- I prefer the original hook, cruel enough. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
- Done and done. As for the background, Nashville was home to many racists (see the back and forth between Buckner H. Payne and Robert A. Young for example), and the cradle of the Lost Cause, but the sources I've found about this lynching don't contextualize it much, except for the church webpage: "Racial pogroms occurred in in Humphreys, Morgan and Polk Counties between 1885 and 1894 and Polk County, banished black residence altogether by threat of violence in 1894.". But we already link to Lynching in the United States. I think the fact that the newspaper articles were removed from the public library is enough context (post-text?). By the way, there is a similar issue with Newspapers.com--if you look for Ephraim Grizzard in Tennessee newspapers, nothing comes up in 1892, only in 2017. So whoever gave them the newspapers to digitalize was not able to retrieve those issues in that state. Anyway, is this good to go please?Zigzig20s (talk) 08:08, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- Zigzig20s (talk) 08:08, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- Reflect move:
- ALT2: ... that Ephraim Grizzard was lynched in front of a mob of 10,000 in Nashville, Tennessee, on April 30, 1892?
yes, with thanks. I wonder about 2PM vs. 2pm. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- On second thoughts, I could add a "context" paragraph with,
- "At the turn of the 20th century, Nashville was home to many racist theorists, like Buckner H. Payne and Robert A. Young. It was also the cradle of the Lost Cause, with "guardians" of the cause like Edith Pope, the editor of the Confederate Veteran. Nevertheless, the Equal Justice Initiative notes that most lynchings in Tennessee occurred in Shelby County near Memphis."
- What do you think? That's entirely up to you. I am not sure if that would be original research.Zigzig20s (talk) 09:11, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- I think the first sentence with one example would be fine, sourced of course. A comparison of horrors - please no. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- Well, it is because Young argued with Payne. Yes, it's all horrible!Zigzig20s (talk) 09:17, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- Actually the editor of the Confederate Veteran at the time was its founder, Sumner Archibald Cunningham, who also lived in Nashville.Zigzig20s (talk) 10:46, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- Also, the Confederate Veteran was founded one year later, in 1893. That's interesting but "post-text", isn't it?Zigzig20s (talk) 10:59, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- User:Gerda Arendt: So perhaps the article is good enough as it is, no need to add a "context" section? I am a little concerned about original research if I add one.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:10, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- Yes, approved above. Everything else is extra, as you like it ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
- I think the first sentence with one example would be fine, sourced of course. A comparison of horrors - please no. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:15, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
- On second thoughts, I could add a "context" paragraph with,
