Template:Did you know nominations/Eleanor Hadley

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The result was: promoted by RoySmith (talk) 15:44, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Eleanor Hadley

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~~... that when Eleanor Hadley was a thirty-year-old ABD, she was recruited by the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers to help implement antitrust policies in occupied Japan?~~ Source: "With the outbreak of World War II Hadley finished her Ph.D. comprehensive examinations... It was... April of 1946 that she was able to receive an assignment to SCAP, Government section, at the express request of the Government Section for staff with some knowledge of Japan. Hadley would, in fact, do her dissertation research in her spare time while working for SCAP. It was the Government section that was tasked with the project of dissolution" in Martin Thiry, "Domestic Politics and Foreign Policy, US. 1946-1954: Three at the Intersection and What it Wrought" (University of Hawai'i, MA thesis, 2007), 23; and "Recruited by GS [Government Section] to help with the purge of big business, Hadley also assisted Economic and Scientific Section's Anti-Trust and Cartels Division and is associated with zaibatsu dissolution" in Takemae Eiji, Inside GHQ: The Allied Occupation of Japan and Its Legacy (New York: Continuum, 2002), 160; and "Eleanor Martha Hadley was born July 17, 1916" in Sara Jean Green, "Eleanor Hadley Spent Her Life Standing up to Oppression, Dies at 90", The Seattle Times, June 6, 2007.
- ALT1: ~~... that Eleanor Hadley was recruited by the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers to help implement antitrust policies in occupied Japan when she was a thirty-year-old ABD?~~ Source: "With the outbreak of World War II Hadley finished her Ph.D. comprehensive examinations... It was... April of 1946 that she was able to receive an assignment to SCAP, Government section, at the express request of the Government Section for staff with some knowledge of Japan. Hadley would, in fact, do her dissertation research in her spare time while working for SCAP. It was the Government section that was tasked with the project of dissolution" in Martin Thiry, "Domestic Politics and Foreign Policy, US. 1946-1954: Three at the Intersection and What it Wrought" (University of Hawai'i, MA thesis, 2007), 23; and "Recruited by GS [Government Section] to help with the purge of big business, Hadley also assisted Economic and Scientific Section's Anti-Trust and Cartels Division and is associated with zaibatsu dissolution" in Takemae Eiji, Inside GHQ: The Allied Occupation of Japan and Its Legacy (New York: Continuum, 2002), 160; and "Eleanor Martha Hadley was born July 17, 1916" in Sara Jean Green, "Eleanor Hadley Spent Her Life Standing up to Oppression, Dies at 90", The Seattle Times, June 6, 2007.
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- Comment: This is my fourth-ever DYK nomination.

5x expanded by Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits). Self-nominated at 16:17, 11 November 2022 (UTC).

Engmaj (talk) 22:23, 12 November 2022 (UTC)This is my first review of a DYK submission. I believe it meets the 5x expansion criteria and has more than enough reliable sources. "The use of "ABD" with a link to the definition but without a definition within the article itself, and its use in the hook troubles me. I'd like to suggest that you substitute the phrase "doctoral student in economics" for "ABD" in both hooks. In the article itself, the first sentence in the Occupation of Japan section gives a date of September 2, 1946, but I believe that should be 1945.
@Engmaj: Thanks for that catch on the occupation date! Should be revised now. How about "doctoral candidate" instead? After comprehensive examinations, one advances from student to candidate. I have revised the lead to state that Hadley was a "doctoral candidate in economics", and here are the hooks rephrased (a few iterations because "doctoral candidate in economics" is much longer than ABD and bumps against the word limit; all four of these ALTs are under 200 words):
- ALT2: ... that when Eleanor Hadley was a 29-year-old doctoral candidate in economics, she was recruited by the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers to implement antitrust policies in occupied Japan? Sources: identical to ALT0 and ALT1
- ALT3: ... that Eleanor Hadley was recruited by the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers to implement antitrust policies in occupied Japan when she was a 29-year-old doctoral candidate in economics? Sources: identical to ALT0 and ALT1
- ALT4: ... that Eleanor Hadley was recruited by the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers to help implement antitrust policies in occupied Japan when she was a 29-year-old doctoral candidate? Sources: identical to ALT0 and ALT1
- ALT5: ... that when Eleanor Hadley was a 29-year-old doctoral candidate, she was recruited by the Supreme Commander for the Allied Powers to help implement antitrust policies in occupied Japan? Sources: identical to ALT0 and ALT1
Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits)

Engmaj (talk) 20:42, 13 November 2022 (UTC)Sure, "candidate" vs. "student" makes sense. I like ALT2 best because the most compelling element of the hook for me is her youth and academic status when recruited and ALT2 (and ALT5) keeps all that info about Hadley right up front and then moves to who recruited her and for what. I can see a good argument for ALT5, too. You give up specifying her academic field in order to specify that she was not solely responsible for implementing antitrust policies. Perhaps that is more accurate but since the readers of the DYK may be encountering Hadley for the first time and won't have the context of knowing she's an economist, I'd lean towards giving them that context in your hook.

@Engmaj: Glad to hear the ALTs work! Since you approve, would you complete the review by replying with a green checkmark confirming that this nomination is approved?

As for which specific ALT is chosen, I'm happy to leave that up to you or whoever puts this in a queue. ALT2 and ALT5 put the hooky information up front, but ALT3 and ALT4 make it into a kind of "punchline" in an impressive sense, like a twist. Both approaches have pros and cons. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 20:49, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Engmaj (talk) 17:04, 14 November 2022 (UTC) Your call on which hook to use. Glad to have learned about another interesting woman.

Thanks very much for your review! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hydrangeans (talk • contribs) 17:23, 14 November 2022 (UTC)