Template:Did you know nominations/Eberhard Faber Pencil Factory

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:25, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

Eberhard Faber Pencil Factory

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... that the Eberhard Faber Pencil Factory, once occupied by one of the world's largest pencil makers, now contains the Kickstarter headquarters? Source: NYCLPC p. 8, Billboard
- ALT1:... that the first Eberhard Faber Pencil Factory was located at the current site of the United Nations headquarters? Source: NYCLPC p. 5
- ALT2:... that the Eberhard Faber Pencil Factory in Brooklyn was established after a prior factory at the current site of the United Nations headquarters burned down? Source: NYCLPC p. 5
- ALT3:... that the Eberhard Faber Pencil Factory in Brooklyn, originally built for one of the world's largest pencil makers, now contains the Kickstarter headquarters? Source: NYCLPC p. 8, Billboard

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Japan National Route 279

Created by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 00:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC).

written neutrally. age and size ok. adequately sourced. hook (ALT1 definitely more interesting) sourced and faithful to source. QPQ done. good to go. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:42, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Another review (edit conflict)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - ALT1 is unsatisfactory because it's about a different site and isn't interesting. The primary hook is better but the phrase "once occupied by one of the world's largest pencil makers, " needs work as the claim of "world's largest" is not supported by the source and it doesn't much add much to say that a pencil factory was occupied by a pencil maker.

QPQ:
Overall: Earwig reports a number of phrases which appear in the Historic Commission report but I've been through them and they are either proper names or fairly standard phrases and so not significant. It would be good to have a picture but I'd agree that the pictures currently in the article seem too dull and drab. Here's a 1905 advert for "The Oldest Pencil Factory in America", which might help. Andrew D. (talk) 11:56, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm, agree with the problem with ALT1 - maybe tweaking hook to, "the precursor to.../the first site of..." in it somewhow. I find the original hook uninteresting. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:13, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

@Casliber and Andrew Davidson:, thank you very much for the two reviews. Andrew, in regards to ALT1 and the phrase "World's largest", the NYCLPC document says on page 9, The Faber company grew to become one of the largest pencil manufacturers in the world. Pages 8-9 of this document talk about the development of the Faber company into the new factory. I have suggested ALT2 and ALT3 as well, with the emphasis being that the Faber Company was among the largest pencil makers in the world when the factory was built. Thanks for the Flickr link, I may upload it and add it to the article. epicgenius (talk) 12:27, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm liking ALT3 best so far. It occurs to me that these hook facts might be combined to good effect. For example, consider the following. Andrew D. (talk) 12:45, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

ALT4:... that the HQs of Kickstarter and the United Nations were both established on sites of the Eberhard Faber Pencil Factory?

I like ALT4 as well. epicgenius (talk) 13:01, 17 October 2019 (UTC)

I have no remaining issues and so we seem to be good to go now. Andrew D. (talk) 13:37, 17 October 2019 (UTC)