Template:Did you know nominations/East Timor
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Bruxton (talk) 15:11, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
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East Timor
- ... that some areas of East Timor have mobile courts? Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that the majority of East Timor's annual budget comes from the country's state-owned Petroleum Fund? Source: search "80%"
- ALT2: ... that there are roughly 19 indigenous languages spoken in East Timor, from two separate language groups? Source: pg. 136 pg.10
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Formed Police Unit
- Comment: Other hook ideas welcome!
Improved to Good Article status by Chipmunkdavis (talk). Self-nominated at 16:19, 16 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/East Timor; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
Recently off a fairly thorough GA review, this is a—to a lay person—comprehensive article, well written and referenced. Article has previously appeared on the main page, but not in DYK and other appearances are a few years ago. Hooks are interesting, from the article, and referenced. DYK done.
- @Chipmunkdavis: given that many people probably don't know much about East Timor, any number of alt hooks are possible, even for more general facts, e.g. "... that following the end of Portuguese colonial rule in 1975, East Timor was occupied by Indonesia until 1999?". I also found the use of local fractional coins for the US dollar a nice factoid, especially as it goes with a picture, but this would need to be mentioned and referenced in the article first.
- I have also some quibbles regarding ALT0, as the relevant part of the article, Geographical access to courts remains a challenge and has prompted the development of mobile courts is very close to what the source says ("Geographical access to courts remains a challenge. Many municipalities have no fixed courts and rely on mobile services. The government has established mobile courts") so as to be WP:PARAPHRASE.
- For ALT1, as the article and the source make a distinction between the budget, the fund, and government expenditure (80% of government spending comes from this fund, which as of 2021 had $19 billion, 10 times greater than the size of the national budget.) and the relationship between these is not spelt out, I'd recommend rephrasing to "... that the majority of East Timor's government expenditure comes from the country's state-owned Petroleum Fund?".
- That's it for now Constantine ✍ 09:48, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for your inputs. I have a personal preference towards avoiding a hook focused on history, and especially the occupation. I feel more positive about a hook that expresses something about the country as it is now. On local US Dollar coins, I can add that to the article, it does not feel undue as a short note. Re mobile courts, I will reword the article sentence. Re ALT1, no objection to that rephrasing. As before, also no objection to further hooks, I have been immersed in this article for awhile, so input as to what is interesting from others is very helpful. CMD (talk) 10:42, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Chipmunkdavis: I figured you wanted to focus on positive aspects. Just wanted to point out that most people might be drawn in by something more 'spectacular'. On the hooks:
- ALT1 is now "... that the majority of East Timor's government expenditure comes from the country's state-owned Petroleum Fund?"
- And I suggest an additional ALT3 "... that East Timor uses the United States dollar, but produces its own coins to facilitate smaller transactions?"
Otherwise all is good to go. A fine article! Constantine ✍ 12:04, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you for your inputs. I have a personal preference towards avoiding a hook focused on history, and especially the occupation. I feel more positive about a hook that expresses something about the country as it is now. On local US Dollar coins, I can add that to the article, it does not feel undue as a short note. Re mobile courts, I will reword the article sentence. Re ALT1, no objection to that rephrasing. As before, also no objection to further hooks, I have been immersed in this article for awhile, so input as to what is interesting from others is very helpful. CMD (talk) 10:42, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
