Template:Did you know nominations/Doreen Nabwire
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 16:40, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
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Doreen Nabwire
Doreen Nabwire
- ... that Doreen Nabwire (pictured) is the first Kenyan woman to play professional football in Europe? Source: Nabwire's journey from Nairobi to the BundesligaFIFPro (Fédération Internationale des Associations de Footballeurs Professionnels) 27 August 2021. Retrieved 27 October 2021.
ALT1: ... that Kenyan international footballer Doreen Nabwire (pictured) started her career at the Nobel Peace Prize nominated Mathare Youth Sports Association?as above and see here for Nobel nom- ALT2: ... that Doreen Nabwire (pictured) led Kenya to the title in the first-ever competition of the Street Football World Cup?
Created by Ampimd (talk). Self-nominated at 15:14, 27 October 2021 (UTC).
Article was new and long enough at the time of the nomination, and is adequately sourced. I didn't find any close paraphrasing. This appears to be the nominator's first nomination on DYK so no QPQ is needed. The hook is cited inline to a Dutch source, although a machine translation seems to confirm it. While I'm fine with the hook, a number of DYK editors oppose hooks that have the format "Person A was the first woman to do X", so I would suggest proposing additional hooks before I pass this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:16, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Comment: It seems to me inappropriate to ask for new hooks as this is the first DYK from a new contributor and there is no need to be over-critical. The hook suggested is both interesting and attractive. Let's just keep it the way it is.--Ipigott (talk) 21:32, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
- Personally I'm fine with the hook as is, my concern is that, if I do pass the hook and it is approved, it is quite likely that there will be complaints either at WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS, which I'm trying to avoid here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:41, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I think the front page errors ppl are being too pliant. The occasional DYK "Eve was said to be first woman?" should be OK. I agree that "DYK that Dr Blah was the first Hungarian born Doctor of accounting to practice carpentry in a small village of Blahblah in eastern New Hampshire who was a woman" is a nom we should reject (and not because it has the word woman in it). However given the situation I have proposed a new nom (alt1), a photo and also done some copy editting on the article. The photo is cut from a free to use video but it needs a wikicommons trustee to give it a tick. Thanks for your contribution. HTH Victuallers (talk) 11:51, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- To be honest, I very much prefer ALT0, and had it not been for the DYK regulars' disdain towards "first woman X" hooks I would have approved the hook in a heartbeat. Personally I'm fine with ALT0, I'm just worried that others aren't. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:22, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- approve both of them and leave the discussion over first woman for another day...? Victuallers (talk) 16:13, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- Frankly I don't think ALT1 as currently written meets the interestingness criterion, even with the Nobel Prize association. Perhaps if it mentioned her playing on the streets that would add hookiness? I'm trying to think of other possibilities based on the article but right now I'm coming up empty. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 17:46, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- Good luck, maybe you ought to write the hook yourself Victuallers (talk) 09:52, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
- Frankly I don't think ALT1 as currently written meets the interestingness criterion, even with the Nobel Prize association. Perhaps if it mentioned her playing on the streets that would add hookiness? I'm trying to think of other possibilities based on the article but right now I'm coming up empty. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 17:46, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- approve both of them and leave the discussion over first woman for another day...? Victuallers (talk) 16:13, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- To be honest, I very much prefer ALT0, and had it not been for the DYK regulars' disdain towards "first woman X" hooks I would have approved the hook in a heartbeat. Personally I'm fine with ALT0, I'm just worried that others aren't. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:22, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: I think the front page errors ppl are being too pliant. The occasional DYK "Eve was said to be first woman?" should be OK. I agree that "DYK that Dr Blah was the first Hungarian born Doctor of accounting to practice carpentry in a small village of Blahblah in eastern New Hampshire who was a woman" is a nom we should reject (and not because it has the word woman in it). However given the situation I have proposed a new nom (alt1), a photo and also done some copy editting on the article. The photo is cut from a free to use video but it needs a wikicommons trustee to give it a tick. Thanks for your contribution. HTH Victuallers (talk) 11:51, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- Personally I'm fine with the hook as is, my concern is that, if I do pass the hook and it is approved, it is quite likely that there will be complaints either at WT:DYK or WP:ERRORS, which I'm trying to avoid here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 08:41, 6 November 2021 (UTC)
- @Narutolovehinata5: i've proposed an ALT2, does that work for you? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 20:01, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
- To be honest, I still very much prefer the original hook, but I will not oppose ALT2 if consensus decides it's the more appropriate hook (though I do have some reservations about it given that there's no article on the tournament itself, though that's beyond the scope of DYK and shouldn't hold the nomination back).
For now I'll be approving ALT0 and ALT2 and striking ALT1; I will let the others decide which hook will be promoted. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:04, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
- To be honest, I still very much prefer the original hook, but I will not oppose ALT2 if consensus decides it's the more appropriate hook (though I do have some reservations about it given that there's no article on the tournament itself, though that's beyond the scope of DYK and shouldn't hold the nomination back).
- Comment: It seems to me inappropriate to ask for new hooks as this is the first DYK from a new contributor and there is no need to be over-critical. The hook suggested is both interesting and attractive. Let's just keep it the way it is.--Ipigott (talk) 21:32, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
