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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Miyagawa (talk) 11:26, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Discipline Global Mobile

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A knotwork, a design often associated with Celtic traditions. The outer design is a a circle, surrounding what appears to be a triangle surrounded by a Celtic knot at first glance. Closer inspection of the triangle reveals that it is in fact an organic part of the inner knot, which seems to have two continuous segments linked by knots. At first glance, the knotwork appears to be symmetric; closer inspection reveals that the right-hand knots seem to be the reverse of the left-hand knots and there are are small differences among the "twin nots"; the right and left hands of the design have variations, much as our right and left hands have subtle distinctions. The design is not symmetric with respect to 120 degree rotations: The center of the pseudo-triangle is above the center of the surrounding circle, but visual balance is maintained by extra knots below the lower pseudo–line-segment. The background is crimson.

  • ... that the music company Discipline Global Mobile has the policy that copyrights belong to artists and consequently does not own even its corporate logo (pictured)?

Created/expanded by Kiefer.Wolfowitz (talk). Self nom at 16:45, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

  • Absolutely a 5X new expansion, however, the hook cite is from the founder of DGM, so I am concerned about neutrality.
  • Note: Nom.'s user page says "busy in real life."
  • Remark: the hook info is factual and undisputed as far as we know, so the citation is not material. In contrast, a hook based on the view that DGM aims to be ethical in an industry tarred by exploitation, deceit, theft and greed, would be very problematic. This one instead reports an amusing consequence of the company's reported policies: it does not own its own logo! Geometry guy 23:57, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't understand your comment about "from the founder of DGM" being non-neutral. These two sources clearly follow what the hook says. And the hook is saying that the company has such a policy, a policy that the founder wrote. So...I guess it is from the founder? But just because a company has a policy doesn't mean that it follows it. The hook isn't stating that this is what the company does, the hook is saying this is what the policy says. What's the issue here? SilverserenC 01:33, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
You maybe correct that it is okay for this type of statement. My thinking is that it is a primary source and we are supposed to be using secondary sources here and no original research. My understanding of original research is that it is done with primary sources. I also am suspicious when an article like this uses the sources from the company/business itself, that there is a neutrality issue. Sometimes these rules are strictly adhered to, and sometimes they are overlooked, so the waters get muddy sometimes. There is no question that the source was written by the founder, his name is on the source.--Ishtar456 (talk) 02:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
  • After slogging through the rules again, I see that is this case the source is acceptable. Thanks to those who spoke up in the nom.'s absence. I think this is all set.--Ishtar456 (talk) 02:13, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
Reply to Ishtar456,
As Geometry guy and Silver seren wrote, there are several secondary reliable sources that state that the DGM policy is that artists own their copyrights; the word choice is telling, "artists" being more general than "musicians". There is a secondary reliable source (Hegarty and Halliwell) stating that Ball is the designer of the knotwork logo, along with Ball's and Fripp's repeated affirmations (over many years).
The specific proposition that Ball owns the copyright to the knotwork design is affirmed by two citations from Fripp (over many years) and a verifiable link to DGM Live! (for King Crimson's Absent Lovers: Live in Philadelphia 1984), besides the aforementioned citations of the "artist" policy.
Regarding my being "busy in real life": Truly my editing time must be reduced. However, our article DGM deserved and continues to deserve my attention, particularly when it was un-sourced and in danger of elimination.
Thanks to all of you for your interest, follow-through, and help.
Best regards,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 07:55, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I moved the approved nomination to 25 March, which is the anniversary of Guitar Craft. As noted in the DGM article,

  1. Guitar Craft's performance side, The League of Crafty Guitarists, records with Robert Fripp for DGM, and
  2. Guitar Craft also uses another knotwork by Steve Ball as its logo. 10:06, 6 March 2012 (UTC) 13:39, 24 March 2012 (UTC)
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