Template:Did you know nominations/David Wecht

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Miyagawa (talk) 12:55, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

David Wecht

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~~... that Cyril Wecht, the father of Pennsylvania Supreme Court justice-elect David Wecht, famously spoke out against the single-bullet theory in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy?~~

Reviewed: The Rocky Horror Picture Show Event

Created by Hunter Kahn (talk). Self-nominated at 03:16, 5 November 2015 (UTC).

New enough. Long enough. QPQ done. NPOV. Dup detector on the four sources found no close paraphrasing issues, copyright violations or plagiarism. Decent hook, but "famously" might be stretching it, as it might suggest that he was the first to do so. The hook fact needs a cite at the end of the corresponding sentence in the article. The source does use "famously", but the article only uses "known". Also Cyril Wecht should be linked to in the article and could be linked in the hook. It's a shame that the subject of the article is so boring that we can't find an interesting hook about him. Edwardx (talk) 15:08, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

I've added a source to the hook sentence, and added the word "famously" the the article. I believe it's appropriate for the article/hook since it's the same word used in the source itself, but that being said if you have a different word you'd like to change it to, I won't object. I also added the reference and wikilink to Cyril Wecht to the hook. — Hun ter Ka hn 03:12, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I also think this is a good hook, especially with the 52nd anniversary of the Kennedy assassination coming up on November 22, but it doesn't reflect the article you're trying to promote. It would better be written: ... that Cyril Wecht famously spoke out against the single-bullet theory in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy? May I suggest an ALT?
ALT1: ... that Pennsylvania Supreme Court justice-elect David Wecht campaigned on a "five-point plan" to improve transparency and ethical standards in the state judiciary? Yoninah (talk) 23:58, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
- I don't feel strongly about which alt is used. I thought the Kennedy fact was the most interesting, but I'm good with whatever. — Hun ter Ka hn 01:15, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

New reviewer needed for ALT1. Yoninah (talk) 09:52, 19 November 2015 (UTC)'

I'm not reviewing it yet but I see it as a dull hook. Judge campaigns on plan to make judiciary more ethical ... how is that unusual enough to be interesting, unless judges in Pennsylvania routinely promise voters they will make the judiciary more corrupt? (Which, I agree, sometimes seems like they might as well ...) Daniel Case (talk) 03:22, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

I'll re-prose the tighter alt hook to the original. Montanabw^(talk) 07:07, 14 December 2015 (UTC) :

ALT2 ... that Cyril Wecht famously spoke out against the single-bullet theory in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy?

@Montanabw: but the nominated article is about Cyril Wecht's son, David. Yoninah (talk) 10:53, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Oops! Never mind, then...let's try this. (And I also don't care deeply, just trying to get a tighter and hookier hook!) Montanabw^(talk) 23:44, 14 December 2015 (UTC) :
ALT 3: ... that Pennsylvania Supreme Court justice-elect David Wecht is the son of Cyril Wecht, who famously spoke out against the single-bullet theory in the Assassination of John F. Kennedy?

Right, that is the best hook that can come out of this article. But it is not about the subject of the article. Perhaps the nominator can find something else interesting to say about this person? Yoninah (talk) 10:37, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, there's always the fact that David Wecht was one of the three winners in the most expensive judicial election in US history according to The Atlantic and The Wall Street Journal might be the way to go, if the article included those sources and the information they contain (and there's also the Brennan Center report published Election Day that their information is based on). I think the Morning Call source that is currently used is probably inaccurate in saying that a full $15 million came from special interests (the total as of the day after the election was $15.8 million), and it's an unclear paragraph to begin with. A suggested ALT hook, provided the article is upgraded (including the quoted Atlantic headline):

ALT4: ... that Pennsylvania Supreme Court justice-elect David Wecht was one of three victors in the "most expensive judicial election in U.S. history"? BlueMoonset (talk) 18:22, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

As the original reviewer, I'd be happy to sign off on ALT4 - an interesting hook that is actually about the subject of the article. BUT, that quote and the corresponding citation needs to be added to the article first, which, of course, I can't do myself. Edwardx (talk) 11:11, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
- As the author/nominator, I've added the above quote and citations, so I think ALT4 is good to go now. (I've also removed the special interests fact that was brought into question above.) — Hun ter Ka hn 02:28, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Hunter Kahn and BlueMoonset. We are good to go with ALT4. I will be bold and strike any others not yet struck. Edwardx (talk) 09:57, 18 December 2015 (UTC)