Template:Did you know nominations/Daniel Vineyards

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Futurist110 (talk) 23:09, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Note: redoing promotion using template substitution. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:12, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Daniel Vineyards

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... that the best selling wine from Daniel Vineyards (pictured) in Crab Orchard, West Virginia, has no grapes?

Reviewed: Gardens of Stone National Park

Created by PumpkinSky (talk), Diannaa (talk). Nominated by PumpkinSky (talk) at 23:19, 4 June 2013 (UTC).

Hook not directly cited... ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 04:27, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Fixed.PumpkinSky talk 09:53, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Alright, all set. Cheers, ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 09:55, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Sourcing queries, which should be easily resolved:

"The vineyard is considered one of the best West Virginia conservation farms, ... " is sourced to the Vineyard's own website. A statement of this nature should be independently sourced (third-party, uninvolved).
I can't locate anything on wineryadventures.com that establishes it as meeting Wikipedia's guidelines for reliable sources. Unfortunately, the wine mentioned there doesn't seem to be mentioned on the Vineyard's own website.
Winetrailtraveler.com is written by teachers turned wine enthusiasts who do seem to have established some basis for knowledge of the wine industry, but there is not enough info there to know if the self-published site meets WP:RS and WP:USERG; could the authors elaborate? "Self-published material may sometimes be acceptable when its author is an established expert whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications." They seem to specialize in tourism? Perhaps the authors/nominators have information to establish reliability (a third-party publication that mentions them as experts)? A sample of how a self-published source can be accepted as reliable per Wikipedia guidelines is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Gilbert and Sullivan/Marc Shepherd's Gilbert and Sullivan Discography. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:04, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

You should know better than to stalk people Sandy.PumpkinSky talk 09:55, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Tagged db-g7, problem solved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PumpkinSky (talk • contribs) 15:24, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

An unfortunate result, Sandy, your stalking of Psky's edits is completely unacceptable. You are holding a DYK to a FA standard here and you are targeting only ONE author against whom you have a longstanding grudge. As it is clear that neither one of you are going to leave, I suggest you, Sandy, make a choice to avoid Psky. This is completely inappropriate. Montanabw^(talk) 16:42, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Article deleted. PumpkinSky, please change that to a "" if you think there's a chance you might recreate the article. (And if not, what was in that grape-free wine?) MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 00:38, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

but only if all circustances are ok for such an event.PumpkinSky talk 11:25, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

issues worked in my user space as best I could, article recreated, needs a fresh review. PumpkinSky talk 10:42, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Comment- As one of the resident wiki-winos, I need to point out some slight issues with the hook. For one, under US wine laws, technically a "grape-free wine" is considered a fruit wine (or citrus wine if made from citrus fruits) which must be labeled with the type of fruit being used to produce it rather then as just plain ole wine. So calling it a vineyard's "best selling wine" is misleading. Plus, the sentence order of "the best selling wine from Daniel Vineyard" (as opposed to Daniel Vineyard's best selling wine) gives the impression that this is some widely popular, best selling wine in the US or elsewhere which it obviously is not. Though, admittedly, switching the word order does give the hook more of an WP:ADVERT sounding tone that is also undesirable. To that extent, I would just recommend going with a completely different angle such as a hook about the vineyard being West Virgina's largest. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 05:43, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Alt1 ... that Daniel Vineyards (pictured) in Crab Orchard, West Virginia is the state's largest winery?

That's certainly a valid hook, but it's not very "hooky" and far more boring. So I'll leave it up to the approver.PumpkinSky talk 09:53, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

I can see your point but the original hook is still a bit misleading and I'm afraid that fixing the misleading bits probably would make that hook "more boring" as well. But here's a go at it. Agne ^Cheese/^Wine 13:05, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Alt2 ... that West Virginia's Daniel Vineyards' (pictured) best selling style of wine is made from blackberries and not grapes?

Alt2 is okay with me. PumpkinSky talk 14:01, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

This article and ALT2 both appear good enough to me. Thus, I am now promoting this DYK? nomination. Futurist110 (talk) 23:09, 15 June 2013 (UTC)