Template:Did you know nominations/Court of Minstrels

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The result was: promoted by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 19:08, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Court of Minstrels

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• ... that a Court of Minstrels regulated the trade of travelling musicians in parts of the medieval English Midlands? "some time after this appointment was made [of the King of Minstrels in 1381], a court was also established to hear plaints, and determine controversies between the misntrels" from: Mosley (bart.), Sir Oswald (1832). History of the castle, priory, and town of Tutbury, in the county of Stafford. Simpkin and Marshall. p. 76.
  • ALT1:... that a Court of Minstrels sat in Tutbury, England until the early 19th-century? "It must be assumed, therefore, that the Court fell into disuse between 1817 and 1832." from: Price, MA (October 1964). The Status and Function of Minstrels in England Between 1350 and 1400 (PDF) (Master of Arts). University of Birmingham. p. 134.

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Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 07:29, 9 May 2020 (UTC).

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General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Hi Dumelow, this looks fine. In the edition of Moseley I checked the information was on page 77. Re the source for ALT1, see WP:SCHOLARSHIP, "Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence", but I prefer ALT0 anyway. Good work. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:39, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Gog the Mild, I didn't know that about Masters theses. It's only cited four times and I won't object if someone wants to remove it, but there are few good sources on this topic and I was glad of a more modern source to balance out Mosley - Dumelow (talk) 16:44, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Masters thesis: neither did I until it was pointed out to me in an early FAC. It can be a crying shame when useful, scholarly information which no one is questioning the accuracy of, has to be removed. Frankly I very much doubt it will be a problem below GA, and probably not until FAC. But I wanted to be clear to you and a the posting coordinator why I was rejecting ALT1 and even the possibility of adding "until the early 19th-century" to the end of ALT0. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gog the Mild and Dumelow:

Any objections to changing the hook to Alt0b: ...that a Court of Minstrels, led by a King of the Minstrels, regulated the trade of travelling musicians in parts of the medieval English Midlands?

I think that would make the hook even more interesting. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 21:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

None from me. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:47, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Fine by me - Dumelow (talk) 04:29, 29 May 2020 (UTC)