The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 12:40, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: Done.
Overall: Nicely-written, well-illustrated new article by HJ Mitchell. No problems detected. I have verified ALT2 ; AGF on the other hooks. Good to go. BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (contribs) 16:39, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
Hi, I came by to promote this, but did not see inline cites for the DYK hooks. Is ALT2 in the Oxford source? I found a different online source for the competition mentioned in ALT0, but it says that Thomas did not win the competition. Yoninah (talk) 23:08, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
@Yoninah: The inline citations are all there, right after the hook facts. I've just added an extra one after Alt2 to be sure but alt0 and alt1 are almost word-for-word from the article, and both sentences are followed by an inline citation. Alt0 is indeed from the ODNB: Although he won the competition outright for designing the first coinage of Elizabeth II, only his 6d. and florin coins were produced for Britain. He was asked to tidy the other designs used; this rankled. Almost as a consolation his crowned effigy of the queen was used on some of the Commonwealth coinage...HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:24, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
OK, thanks. Do you mind breaking this sentence into two sentences so it will read easier?
Upon the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II in 1953, Thomas won the competition to design the new coinage but in the event his designs were only used on two British coins, the florin (two shillings) and the sixpence, he was asked to refine the designs of other artists, though his designs were used on coinage in several Commonwealth countries including Hong Kong and Nigeria.
Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 23:28, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
@HJ Mitchell: Isn't "in the event" superfluous? Yoninah (talk) 23:43, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
No, it's necessary to convey that the outcome was contrary to Thomas' expectations. Pardon me, but this is starting to feel more like FAC than DYK, which is supposed to be a lightweight process and not focus on the minutiae of the article. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:49, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
I'm sorry. I'm ready to promote it, but I just can't understand the sentence the way it's written, and I'm a professional editor. This is how I would write it:
Thomas won the competition to design the new coinage, but in the end his designs were only used on two British coins, the florin (two shillings) and the sixpence, and he was asked to refine the designs of other artists. Yoninah (talk) 00:14, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Isn't that exactly what it says? "In the end" is "in the event" (which personally I think is better prose for an encyclopaedia, but it doesn't affect the meaning) and one "he" in your version is "Thomas" in the article. Am I missing something? It's nearly 1am and I have a job interview tomorrow so I'm going to have to call it a night. If I am missing something and changing two word is all that's needed for this to proceed then please feel free to make the edit. Such a minor edit would not be a conflict of interest. @Yoninah:HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:59, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
OK. Perhaps "in the event" is a British way of saying "in the end"? In the dictionary, "in the event" means "if it should happen; in case: In the event of an emergency, call 911. I made the change. Yoninah (talk) 12:38, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
Nicely-written, well-illustrated new article by HJ Mitchell. No problems detected.
Hi, I came by to promote this, but did not see inline cites for the DYK hooks. Is ALT2 in the Oxford source? I found a different online source for the competition mentioned in ALT0, but it says that Thomas did not win the competition. Yoninah (talk) 23:08, 25 January 2016 (UTC)