Template:Did you know nominations/Canonization of Thomas Aquinas
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The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 06:23, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
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Canonization of Thomas Aquinas
- ... that the headless body of Thomas Aquinas was boiled, possibly in wine, after his canonization?
Created by Kingoflettuce (talk). Self-nominated at 05:50, 17 January 2022 (UTC).
Hi Kingoflettuce, I was taking a look at this one. I access the source you used and it states: "at the same time the Cistercians boiled the saint's body, probably in wine as was the custom, in order to separate the bones from the flesh". So while you can say his body was boiled, I think you can only say it was "probably" in wine, not definitely. Could you review and let me know? - Dumelow (talk) 12:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- Also from the same source I am not clear on the chronology. The preceding sentence is "The original sources are silent about the further fate of Thomas' remains but Raymond Hughes, who had eye-witnessed their translation to Toulouse, reports that Thomas' head was separated from the body during the time of the pontificate of Benedict XI (1303-1304)". From this reading "at the same time" might be at the same time as the translation to Toulouse or at the same time as the decapitation. I see you cited McGinn also, which I don't have access to. Does he confirm the timing of the boiling? - Dumelow (talk) 13:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hiya Dumelow, there is no way "at the same time" would refer to the Toulouse translation (which occurred in 1369) or the decapitation (the literature is not clear on exactly when—or why—the head was removed, but it could have been as early as on the day of his death and certainly by 1319, based on numerous eyewitness accounts of the head relic at Foussanova). Read in context, the boiling must have taken place after the canonization. McGinn confirms as much: "At some time after Thomas’s canonization, the remains were boiled down, and the more transportable bones were eventually given to the Dominicans, who laid them to rest in their church at Toulouse in 1369." "Eventually" suggesting that there was some time between the boiling and the transfer. The '"probably" in wine' bit was an oversight, have fixed it! Thanks Kingoflettuce (talk) 16:02, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response Kingoflettuce. Happy with the chronology if McGinn supports it and the amended hook is fine. Article created 17 January and exceeds minimum length; sources used are mainly offline and look to be reliable; I didn't notice any issue with overly close paraphrasing when I had a quick look at Gerulaitis (1967); AGF on offline sources; a QPQ has been carried out. Looks good to me - Dumelow (talk) 16:48, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- Forgot to say, probably worth expanding the lead a bit to avoid someone slapping Template:Lead too short on it (as an orange tag this would prevent a DYK appearance) - Dumelow (talk) 16:50, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yeah, always struggle with ledes :P Kingoflettuce (talk) 16:51, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- Forgot to say, probably worth expanding the lead a bit to avoid someone slapping Template:Lead too short on it (as an orange tag this would prevent a DYK appearance) - Dumelow (talk) 16:50, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- Hiya Dumelow, there is no way "at the same time" would refer to the Toulouse translation (which occurred in 1369) or the decapitation (the literature is not clear on exactly when—or why—the head was removed, but it could have been as early as on the day of his death and certainly by 1319, based on numerous eyewitness accounts of the head relic at Foussanova). Read in context, the boiling must have taken place after the canonization. McGinn confirms as much: "At some time after Thomas’s canonization, the remains were boiled down, and the more transportable bones were eventually given to the Dominicans, who laid them to rest in their church at Toulouse in 1369." "Eventually" suggesting that there was some time between the boiling and the transfer. The '"probably" in wine' bit was an oversight, have fixed it! Thanks Kingoflettuce (talk) 16:02, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
- Also from the same source I am not clear on the chronology. The preceding sentence is "The original sources are silent about the further fate of Thomas' remains but Raymond Hughes, who had eye-witnessed their translation to Toulouse, reports that Thomas' head was separated from the body during the time of the pontificate of Benedict XI (1303-1304)". From this reading "at the same time" might be at the same time as the translation to Toulouse or at the same time as the decapitation. I see you cited McGinn also, which I don't have access to. Does he confirm the timing of the boiling? - Dumelow (talk) 13:05, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
