Template:Did you know nominations/Buckhound

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by MeegsC (talk) 20:18, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Buckhound

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Her Majesty's Buckhounds, 1875

New Forest buckhounds

... that when Queen Anne became too old to follow her pack of Buckhounds on horseback, she had paths cut through the Windsor Forest so she could follow the hunt in a carriage? Griffin, Emma (2007). Blood sport: hunting in Britain since 1066. New Haven & London: Yale University Press. pp. 105–107 & 171–172. ISBN 978-0-300-11628-1.
- ALT1:... that buck hunting held a special place in England during the reign of Edward III (1327–1377) when the Royal Buckhounds pack was established? Hancock, David (2014). Hounds: hunting by scent. Ramsbury, Marlborough: The Crowood Press Ltd. pp. 103–104. ISBN 978-1-84797-601-7.
- ALT2:... that when Queen Anne became too infirm to follow her pack of buckhounds (pictured) on horseback, she had paths cut through the Windsor Forest so she could follow the hunt in a carriage?

Comment: My third DYK nomination, still a little green to provide a QPQ.

Created by Cavalryman (talk). Self-nominated at 05:57, 23 June 2021 (UTC).

Review

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Other problems: - Per D7, submissions should seem complete and "deal adequately with the topic". The page currently seems too light on details of the breed's characteristics, saying that it was "similar to the Harrier", without saying what that means. (To me, a harrier means an aircraft, bird or runner). I suggest adding a closeup picture such as this and some corresponding prose about the breed's coloration and other characteristics.

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - I'm focussing on the primary hook as ALT1 seems less interesting. The word "old" doesn't seem quite right as Anne only lived to age 49. The real problem was ill-health and obesity so I suggest replacing "old" with "infirm". I'll insert this as ALT2 for clarity. The word (pictured) has been added in this and a capital letter changed.

Image eligibility:

Freely licensed:
Used in article:
Clear at 100px: - The picture is interesting but may be too busy to work well as a small thumbnail. A closeup of the dogs such as this might work better so I have added it above for comparison. Now I see them together, I still prefer the original but we can add the other picture to the article, as discussed above.

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Welcome to DYK. Please excuse the nitpicking – it's the thrill of the chase! Andrew🐉(talk) 11:30, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Andrew Davidson, many thanks for starting the review. I agree with both your assessment of Queen Anne & that your image gives a better impression of the hounds, I have amended both in the article [1] and prefer your ALT 2, another possible picture is another Emms work File:The Newforest Buckhounds .jpg. Unfortunately, the recently deceased COL Hancock [2] makes the only attempt at describing these hounds that I can find, and as said in the article he only says they were smaller and lighter than Staghounds and were similar to Harriers in appearance (personally I suspect the hounds of Edward III were very different from those of Victoria), I feel any commentary from a picture would be OR, if that is insufficient for DYK then so be it. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 12:45, 26 June 2021 (UTC).

Andrew Davidson, I have built upon the description paragraph here, the source states descriptions are lacking. Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 09:48, 30 June 2021 (UTC).

Whilst researching another article I have found a description for the Buckhound, I have integrated it into the article, I am surprised Hancock missed it. Further, I have added a descriptive note about Harrier (dog). Kind regards, Cavalryman (talk) 00:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC).

I spotted that description myself when I was looking at this before but was too busy to follow up so it's good you've got it done. I have some other ideas but they are just nice to have so let's not hold this up any further. Tally-ho! Andrew🐉(talk) 13:19, 13 July 2021 (UTC)