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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:04, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

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Broe helmet

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The Vendel XIV helmet
The Vendel XIV helmet
  • ... that the fragmentary Broe helmet shares similarities with the Vendel XIV helmet (pictured)? Source: Tweddle 1992: There are a number of relevant passages, including "The parallels between the Coppergate helmet on the one hand and the Vendel XIV and Bro[e] helmets on the other, therefore, include the use of cheek-pieces, the method of construction of the cap, the use of a small flat crest terminating in an animal head at the front, and the occurrence of hatched eyebrows ending in animal heads"
  • Reviewed: Elizabeth Fee
  • Comment: If there's any interest in using the image of the Broe helmet itself, it will enter the public domain in January.

Created by Usernameunique (talk). Self-nominated at 23:15, 13 October 2019 (UTC).


General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems

Hook eligibility:

  • Cited: Yes
  • Interesting: Yes
  • Other problems: Yes
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: When you say "the image of the Broe helmet itself," do you mean the illustration found in the infobox? I'm not clear on why that would enter the public domain next year—but, if so, it seems like it could be worth waiting for. It would be nice to be able to make a side-by-side comparison—not to mention, to have a free image of the subject itself. Otherwise, the hook meets all the criteria and doesn't seem to have any issues. We could hold out two and a half months for a slightly more compelling image, but I think it could also run as is. —BLZ · talk 23:22, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

@Usernameunique: Any thoughts on the image? I don't wanna leave this hanging since it's essentially good to go, just curious about your comment re the image of the Broe helmet. —BLZ · talk 07:25, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the reminder, Narutolovehinata5. On reconsideration, I'm not sure that the case for the public domain in January is so clear cut. The 50-year length seems to apply predominantly to photographs, whereas this image is a sketch (albeit one intended to be photographic in its quality). At any rate, there are some extremely talented people at the illustration workshop, and I have asked for one to make a similar, but free, version. --Usernameunique (talk) 20:04, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • @Usernameunique: I've pitched an illustration at Commons with a draft, but it needs some input to ensure accuracy. —BLZ · talk 21:51, 4 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Just in case the Broe helmet image does not work out, would either of you be fine with just the Vendel image being used? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 11:58, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
  • I'd be OK with that. I've thought the hook has been ready to run as is from the start, just wanted to give some time to discuss possibilities for a better image as a courtesy. But if timing presses this forward I think the current image is OK too. —BLZ · talk 21:07, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

It appears that there are no remaining issues with the article itself, so I am now approving this. What image to be used, or if this will be used as an image hook, will be left to the promoter. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 04:02, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but is there any other descriptive text you can add to the hook, other than that it resembles another artefact? Think of this running without any image; would it be hooky? Yoninah (talk) 11:57, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah: ALT1 ... that the fragmentary Broe helmet, which was discovered in a cremation grave on the Swedish island of Gotland, shares similarities with the Vendel XIV helmet (pictured)?
Is this better? Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 02:48, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Thank you for more description, but I still don't understand comparing it to another artefact and then picturing that. Yoninah (talk) 12:19, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
If that's the case, then either that hook could run without the picture, another hook with a different description could be proposed, or a hook that focuses on the Broe helmet without mentioning the Vendel helmet may be needed. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 13:14, 26 November 2019 (UTC)
  • Narutolovehinata5 A hook that doesn't mention the other helmet is fine with me, as is a hook without an image (in any event, I tend to think the image is at the discretion of the promoter). Here are some suggestions:
  • ALT2: ... that the Vendel Period Broe helmet was discovered while digging up a garden?
  • ALT3: ... that the Broe helmet features a decorated eyebrow piece, with metal inlays and animal-head terminals?
  • ALT4: ... that the Broe helmet was found in a grave alongside nine swords, eight spearheads, four shield bosses, and a pair of scissors? --Usernameunique (talk) 07:48, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
@Yoninah and Brandt Luke Zorn: Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:11, 1 December 2019 (UTC)
@Narutolovehinata5: @Usernameunique: I like ALT2, though I might tweak the wording slightly. Something like:
I also considered "a fragmentary artefact of...", depending on the level of detail that is desired. ALT4 is also nice and could run as is. —BLZ · talk 00:08, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
Looks good to me—I just changed "artifact" to "artefact" to match the British English used in the article. --Usernameunique (talk) 03:31, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Alt2a looks to be the consensus. --evrik (talk) 15:23, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Adding dates of the Vendel Period per our Wikipedia article. Yoninah (talk) 16:38, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
  • I'm not sure the dates are needed (if anything, I would think omitting them gives a reason to click through to one of the articles), but don't feel strongly about it. --Usernameunique (talk) 20:53, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
  • Probably worth omitting the year range. In addition to Usernameunique's point about clickthrough, adding the years may make it sound like the start and end dates of the Vendel Period as a whole (550–790) are the same as the narrower approximate dating of the helmet itself (520–625). —BLZ · talk 21:14, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
  • OK. I deleted the dates. Yoninah (talk) 21:34, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
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