Template:Did you know nominations/Bridle Trails State Park

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The result was: promoted by Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:53, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Bridle Trails State Park

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The entrance of the state park

... that hikers must give way to horses in Bridle Trails State Park (pictured)? Source: [1]

Reviewed: Central Asian Orogenic Belt

5x expanded by Mccunicano (talk). Self-nominated at 00:06, 16 November 2021 (UTC).

Newness requirement satisfied by 5x expansion on 11/15 from < 600 to > 3000 characters. Articles also long enough and compliant with core policies on citations and neutrality. The hook is in-line sourced. Photo has appropriate license. QPQ is done. There are, however, two problems:

(1) There is some significant overlap with this source. To start, the following sentence is taken from the source without use of quotation marks and with no effort to paraphrase rather than use the precise words: "Local advocacy led to the establishment of Bridle Trails as a state park in 1932." Further, this sentence also strikes me as too closely drawn from the same source: "Initial park development dates to 1933 when Civil Works Administration employees and federal relief workers were employed in state parks as part of the New Deal program. Further work included burning logging debris, clearing brush and building trails and fences." Work needs to be done to put the material into your own words.

(2) The hook strikes me as boring in that it states an obvious point. Horses having the right of way on this trail is not unique or special. On trails that are shared by humans and horses, it is the general rule that horses have the right of way. See here ("In general, horses always have the right of way, followed by hikers, then by bikers."). See also here ("For safety reasons, if you come across a horse and rider on any trail they always have right of way. Hikers and bike riders all yield to horses.") To include this on the main page, we really need something that is hooky or interesting about this trail. Cbl62 (talk) 10:05, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

The nominator hasn't edited since the day of the nomination; what should be done here? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:54, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Cbl62: Fixed ping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:54, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, the issues have not been fixed, and this should not be advanced as is. Not sure how long we wait for the nominator. Cbl62 (talk) 07:35, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

We could give this another week. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:46, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that at Bridle Trails State Park (pictured), one can ride horses in the middle of a densely populated urban area? Source: "As that [equestrian] lifestyle dwindled, and horse properties were turned into new neighborhoods, Bridle Trails remained one of the top spots in the region for riding. Its proximity to urban areas now makes it that much more unique." Cornwell 2019 (cited above)

Willing to assist with further issues until original nom returns or the nomination is closed. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:27, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that an incident at Bridle Trails State Park (pictured) resulted in a horse getting euthanized?
Hmm. Well, i've put an ALT2 there. It's not super interesting, but I find it to be hooky nonetheless. I'm going to give this more thought... theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 07:32, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion! It is hooky, and I had considered something similar, but I wanted to follow the spirit of the source: [Equestrians] stress that the positive interactions they have [with visitors] far outweigh the negative. Regardless, if Cbl62 or someone else could take a second look, I'd greatly appreciate the time and effort. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:47, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Rotideypoc41352: Can you confirm if you went through the article to remove the copyvio issues that I raised? Cbl62 (talk) 03:51, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I tried. I can give it another go if you think it's still too close. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:54, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to Rotideypoc41352 for addressing the copyvio concerns. Approved as to alt 2, which is hooky enough, accurate, and sourced. Can't approve alt 1 as the fact asserted "one can ride horses in the middle of a densely populated urban area" is not found in the article and doesn't appear to be entirely accurate. The trail is in a park increasingly surrounded by a suburban area with residential homes -- it is not "in the middle of a densely populated urban area." Cbl62 (talk) 04:08, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Promoting ALT2 to Prep 4 – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 16:53, 17 December 2021 (UTC)