Template:Did you know nominations/Barbara Newman

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The result was: promoted by Allen3 ^talk 11:03, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Barbara Newman

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~~... that Barbara Newman, the current president of the Medieval Academy of America, wrote a book about the worship of Christian Goddesses?~~

ALT1: ~~... that Northwestern University English and Religion Professor Barbara Newman has written a book about the veneration of Goddesses in medieval Christianity?~~

Created by Altenmaeren (talk). Self nominated at 12:32, 11 February 2015 (UTC).

Can we improve the balance in this article. She seems to be a brilliant person with a brilliant book. Is there not someone who doesn't agree with this religious historian (or does she not tackle controversy?) :-) Oh and can it be used for Womens History Month when approved? Victuallers (talk) 00:08, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

thanks for having a look! I'm trying to find some controversy, but it's surprisingly hard -- I guess if she were a theologian it would be different. There was a conference she organized a few years back on Goddesses that might've had some controversy. Anyhow, yes, I'd love to have this be a part of women's history month if I can get it approved. Altenmaeren (talk) 19:02, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Striving for balance doesn't mean we have to manufacture a negative -- I've spent the last hour or so searching for info on her, and have come up with lots of references to her work in published books, but nothing controversial. She's highly thought off and heavily referenced in her field (search Google with the "More...Books" option). Long enough, new enough, referenced (though the existing references could be improved by giving fuller citations); quotations are used appropriately, no copyvios, hook is okay, but not exciting -- here's an alt (I added an idea from the review cited to support this one).

ALT2: ~~... that medieval scholar Barbara Newman suggests that female "creations of the Christian imagination" deepened the medieval vision of God?~~ Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 22:05, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I like the direction User:Mary Mark Ockerbloom is taking in ALT2, but the hook needs to be spelled out a bit more, like:
ALT3: ... that medieval scholar Barbara Newman suggests that the multiple female figures in medieval Christianity were "distinctive creations of the Christian imagination" which deepened the medieval vision of God? Yoninah (talk) 21:27, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I filled out the references. Yoninah (talk) 22:23, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Yoninah, ALT3 is 204 characters, too long for DYK. Perhaps one of the three uses of "medieval" could be dropped? BlueMoonset (talk) 23:17, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Right.
ALT4: ... that scholar Barbara Newman suggests that the multiple female figures in medieval Christianity were "distinctive creations of the Christian imagination" that deepened their vision of God? Yoninah (talk) 18:02, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I like it! Thanks for the help! Altenmaeren (talk) 16:47, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I feel I added too much to User:Mary Mark Ockerbloom's hook to objectively approve it. Could another reviewer sign off on this, please? Yoninah (talk) 17:58, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm agreeable to the revised hook. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 18:03, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, Mary Mark Ockerbloom, per Rule H2, you're not allowed to approve your own hook. Yoninah (talk) 18:52, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

The rules didn't seem to prohibit approving someone else's hook, even if it is one's own DYK nomination -- am I right in thinking this? (rather new here) If so, then I approve! Altenmaeren (talk) 12:42, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Independent reviewer still needed. Altenmaeren, you're certainly allowed to express your opinion of whether you like a hook proposed for your own nomination, and DYK gives a certain amount of deference to a nominator's wishes in that regard. However, no nominator can ever give final approval to his or her own nomination, or to anything within it like a hook, and that's what the tick mark you used says. The same rule H2 that Yoninah cited to Mary Mark applies to you as well. BlueMoonset (talk) 12:54, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

This article has a thorough checking by several editors including me. The hoo checks out and my question of neutrality has been kicked into touch. Alt4 would be great for Womens History Month. Leghth and reffing fin. No evidence of paraphrasing. Thanks to all. Victuallers (talk) 14:43, 14 March 2015 (UTC)