Template:Did you know nominations/Balidaan (1997 film)

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:30, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Balidaan (1997 film)

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~~... that 1997 Nepali film Balidaan ('Sacrifice') was banned in Nepal for "its depiction of Nepal's Communist movement"?~~ Source: Delhi Belly gives Nepal censors bellyache "Tulsi Ghimire’s “Balidaan”, interpreted as sympathetic to the communist movement, was not allowed to be screened"

Reviewed: Agatha Christie

Created by CAPTAIN MEDUSA (talk). Self-nominated at 15:17, 13 May 2020 (UTC).

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Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
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QPQ: Done.

Overall: New enough at only two days old, all of the information is cited, including its ban in Nepal, and I see no neutrality, sourcing, plagiarism, or any other problems with the article. BTW congratulations on finding this really interesting hook since I have always found stuff relating to the Nepalese Communist Party or Nepalese Civil War really interesting. Jon698 talk 21:58 21 May 2020 (UTC)

@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: the hook repeats "Nepal" three times. Yoninah (talk) 16:03, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

ALT0a: ~~... that the 1997 historical drama Balidaan ('Sacrifice') was banned for its portrayal of Nepal's Communist movement?~~

Hi Yoninah, Is this better? ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 16:08, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: thank you, it's better. But why do you need to put a simple phrase like this in quotes? You could change "depiction" to "portrayal" or some other paraphrase. Also, why are you piping the link to Nepalese Civil War and not Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist Centre)? Yoninah (talk) 16:11, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Yoninah, I thought quotes looked better, I guess, but fixed. I think that the Nepalese Civil War pipe is appropriate because this event led to film being banned. The war lasted from 1996 to 2006. It was banned by Nepali monarchy but they were overthrowed as a result of the war. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 16:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: OK, now that I edited the page I see there was quite a bit of time between the film's release and its banning. Do you want to include the date in the hook?
ALT1: ~~... that the 1997 historical drama Balidaan (Sacrifice) was banned eight years later by King Gyanendra for its portrayal of Nepal's communist movement?~~ Yoninah (talk) 17:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Yoninah, Thank you for the copy edit. Including the release date seems relevant. ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 17:20, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. @Jon698: could you sign off on ALT1 please? Yoninah (talk) 17:22, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Yoninah: Yes I sign off to it. - Jon698 (talk) 00:47, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jon698: it needs a tick please. Yoninah (talk) 10:19, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Yoninah, I came here to give the tick you requested nearly a week ago, but was unable to find in any of the sources wording that specifically ascribed the banning to Gyanendra himself, so I can't approve ALT1. Neither the wording in the lede nor in the Sarkar quote goes that far (and the quote is very odd in that it says "five years ago" yet there is no identification of when the passage was written). BlueMoonset (talk) 02:11, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
The article was written on September 24, 2005 (see the heading on the bold text).

ALT2: ~~... that the 1997 historical drama Balidaan (Sacrifice) was banned eight years later by King Gyanendra's government for its portrayal of Nepal's communist movement?~~

Hi BlueMoonset, Is this better? ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 11:19, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Pinging BlueMoonset to take a look at ALT2. Yoninah (talk) 20:18, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Yoninah, I really wish there wasn't disagreement between sources. Source 3 gives the film's release as 1997, but source 4 says it was 1996. Source 7 says the ban was "five years ago" (dated January 10, 2010), but source 3 reports the ban as if very recent on September 24, 2005. Does any source give the actual release date of the movie beyond the year? It might be safer to say "in 2005" rather than "eight years later" given the discrepancies and uncertainties. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:21, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

@CAPTAIN MEDUSA: how about a different hook idea? Yoninah (talk) 21:25, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

ALT3: ~~... that the 1997 historical drama Balidaan (Sacrifice) used a song that was banned from state-owned Radio Nepal?~~
ALT3a: ~~... that the 1997 historical drama Balidaan (Sacrifice) used a song that was banned from Radio Nepal which was later adopted by the Communist Party of Nepal (UML)?~~
ALT2a: ... that the 1997 historical drama Balidaan (Sacrifice) was banned in 2005 by King Gyanendra's government for its portrayal of Nepal's communist movement?

Yoninah, BlueMoonset, Maybe these could work? ~~ CAPTAIN MEDUSA^talk 18:18, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Yoninah, I believe that ALT2a addresses my issues with prior hooks of the same import. I haven't looked at the ALT3s. I'll leave the hooks to you to decide. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:30, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, ALT2a looks good. Hook ref verified and cited inline. ALT2a good to go. Yoninah (talk) 18:36, 5 July 2020 (UTC)