Template:Did you know nominations/Baba Anujka
- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:40, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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Baba Anujka
Baba Anujka during her 1929 trial
... that Baba Anujka (pictured) was Serbian-Yugoslavian female mass poisoner of the late 19th and early 20th century who participated in at least 50 murders before apprehended at the age of 90 and sentenced to 15 years in prison?
Source: "You are strongly encouraged to quote the source text supporting each hook" (and [link] the source, or cite it briefly without using citation templates)
- ALT1
... that Baba Anujka (pictured) was a Serbian woman who participated in over 50 murders, becoming known as a mass poisoner?- ALT2
... that Baba Anujka (pictured) was a Serbian woman who at the age of 90 was arrested and sentenced to prison for poisoning over 50 people to death?
- ALT2
Created by Vanjagenije (talk). Self-nominated at 21:19, 30 July 2019 (UTC).
the review at Template:Did you know nominations/Northwestern Pacific Railroad interurban lines is incomplete, and cannot count as a QPQ credit until finished. Flibirigit (talk) 20:05, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
QPQ has been completed. Nomination still needs a complete review. Flibirigit (talk) 01:51, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
- new enough, long enough, qpq done, hook looks good. inline citations checks out. overall good article. good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 08:42, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
- @BabbaQ: some verbs are missing in the hook. It would be interesting to mention that she's a woman. Yoninah (talk) 22:51, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
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- @BabbaQ and Yoninah: Sorry, English is not my native language. "Baba" means "grandmother" in all Slavic languages, so it is obvious to me, though I understand that it might not be obvious to an average English speaker. I agree with the alternate hooks. Vanjagenije (talk) 23:38, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
- Actually, I prefer ALT1 because it is more concise. Also, ALT2 is somewhat inaccurate as she was not "sentenced ... for poisoning over 50 people", she was only sentenced for poisoning two men. Vanjagenije (talk) 23:44, 11 August 2019 (UTC)
- OK, I went through the whole article and gave it an edit for English grammar. I also struck some of the hooks. Why not write a real hook instead of a synopsis?
- ALT3:
... that the Serbian-Yugoslavian poisoner Baba Anujka (pictured) sold unhappy wives a concoction she called "magic waters" or "love potion", which could kill a man in eight to fifteen days?Yoninah (talk) 22:58, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
- @Yoninah: I like the proposed hook. But, I think her old age should be included in the hook. In all articles about her, her unusually old age is always highlighted. She is usually called "the oldest serial killer" or similar. I think it should be included in the hook because it makes the story about her really unique. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:01, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
- But that fact is not in the article. I only see it in the title of an External link. Yoninah (talk) 00:03, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
- The fact that she was aged 90 when finally apprehended is in the article. I didn't say we should include in the hook that she was called "the oldest serial killer", I just said we should include that she was poisoning people until age of 90. Vanjagenije (talk) 00:38, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
- Ok, I give up. Just do whatever, I can't argue any more. This can last for months. Vanjagenije (talk) 16:41, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
- We just have an obligation to present verified information in the article and the hook. She looks like a very old woman in the image. Let's get a review of ALT3. Pinging original reviewer @BabbaQ:. Yoninah (talk) 16:45, 8 September 2019 (UTC)
- There's a slight problem with the sources for the "magic waters" or "love potion" and the "eight to fifteen days". All of the newspaper sources quoted in the article are referenced to two blog pages ([1], [2]), where the blogger has typed out and translated (when not in English) newspaper articles of the time. There are newspaper articles on those pages which mention "magic water", "love potions", and probably "eight to fifteen days", but they are not the newspaper articles named in the citations. Those articles are among the ones on the blog pages, they just happen not to be the ones which contain the cited information .... so the citations will need to be corrected. Pinging article creator Vanjagenije - do you want to correct these citations?
- And, to other editors/reviewers, is a blogpost which transcribes newspaper articles (with the name of each newspaper, date, page and section where the article is found) considered a reliable source? The American newspaper articles transcribed on one page of the blog are (some anyway) on Newspapers.com, but the German language newspaper articles on the other blog page may not be, I'm not sure. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:43, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
- I have only ever considered blogs written by notable people in that field to be reliable. I would never approve them otherwise. SL93 (talk) 16:38, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks! I guess you've read more of the blog, or know the blogger - their profile gives no clue about who they are. There is still the issue, for the article creator, of correct attribution to the sources within those blogposts. RebeccaGreen (talk) 17:52, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
- I have only ever considered blogs written by notable people in that field to be reliable. I would never approve them otherwise. SL93 (talk) 16:38, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
- - My review still stands. New hook looks interesting. Good to go now. Good work.BabbaQ (talk) 20:01, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
- Putting this icon here while sourcing issues remain unresolved. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 20:16, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
- As the nominator appears to be busy with other matters, I have added more citations and sources, and removed those that did not contain the cited information. The sources which the creator accessed through the National Library of Serbia appear not to be available without a login, so I AGF on those. I have made a couple of small edits in the text - adding some information (that she sold potions to soldiers who wanted to get out of the military), and removing some (it originally said "husbands would usually die after eight to fifteen days" - I could find a source for eight, but none for fifteen, so I changed it to "after about eight days"). So ALT3 will also need tweaking:
- ALT3a: ... that the Serbian-Yugoslavian poisoner Baba Anujka (pictured) sold unhappy wives a concoction she called "magic waters" or "love potion", which could kill a man in about eight days?
- Or something like this:
- ALT4: ... that Serbian-Yugoslavian poisoner Baba Anujka (pictured), aged over 90 at the time of her trial, was sentenced to 15 years hard labor?
- Another reviewer should probably check and approve the hooks now that the citations have been improved. RebeccaGreen (talk) 17:45, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for your work on this, RebeccaGreen. Considering that the page creator got the 15 days figure from somewhere, I suggest tweaking ALT3a to:
- ALT3b: ... that the Serbian-Yugoslavian poisoner Baba Anujka (pictured) sold unhappy wives a concoction she called "magic waters" or "love potion", which could kill a man in less than two weeks? Yoninah (talk) 18:00, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Yoninah, yes, that sounds better than ALT3a. I was going to strike ALT3a, then wondered whether anyone would actually want to see "less than two weeks" in the article. So I've left it, as well as ALT3b and ALT4 for another reviewer to check and approve. RebeccaGreen (talk) 18:20, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
