Template:Did you know nominations/Angkor Wat Marathon
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The result was: promoted by 4meter4 (talk) 05:08, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
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Angkor Wat Marathon
[edit]- ... that Cambodia's Angkor Wat International Half Marathon was introduced in 1996 by the Japanese Olympian Yuko Arimori?
- ALT1:... that Angkor Empire Marathon is the first full marathon of Cambodia?
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Created by Human3015 (talk). Self-nominated at 07:12, 3 November 2015 (UTC).
Created on Nov. 2, nom on Nov. 3/new enough. 2344 char/long enough. Neutrally written with in-line citations. No apparent copyvios. QPQ done. No image with nom. Both hooks under the maximum. Issues:- I'm confused by the article because it appears that two different events are being bundled. [this article] says the Angkor Empire Marathon (which has a full marathon and a half marathon according to the same source) will be a low season feature and the Angkor Wat Half Marathon will continue to be run in the high season. While the website of the "Angkor Wat International Half Marathon" says it raises funds for the victims of antipersonnel mines and for their ban, the website of the "Angkor Empire Marathon" says that it raises funds for the "Angkor Children hospital, Kantha Bopha children hospital and the Cambodia Red Cross". From the sourcing, neither has anything to do with the other. Is there a source that says they are related?
- There is no citation immediately following the claim in the file that Arimori organized the first race, though I did find this source which substantiates she started the "Angkor Wat International Half Marathon" none of the citations on the file tie her to the event.
- There is no citation immediately following the claim that the "Angkor Empire Marathon" is the first full marathon of Cambodia in the body, though it is cited in the lede. Typically the lede has no citations and citations follow the text in the body of the article. SusunW (talk) 23:27, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
- @SusunW: Thanks for your detailed review. Yes, these are 2 different events. They can have different motto. The reason to bundle them is that they are "organized", "sponsored", "supported" by same agencies. You can see bottom of both official websites to see name of associates. [1], [2]. Name of the article is "Angkor Wat Marathon" but none of these 2 marathons have same name, one is named "Angkor Wat International Half Marathon" and 2nd one is named "Angkor Empire Marathon". But both are organized by same agency and at same place that is at Angkor Wat temple. So instead of making 2 different articles on 2 marathons organized by same agency at same place I thought merging them under one article will be better thing. Thats why I created separate section for "Angkor Empire Marathon" within same article. And read last para here which says it is first full marathon of Cambodia. I think it is very interesting topic, because many people knows famous temple of Angkor Wat but hardly anyone knows about marathon held there. Running at such historic place around ancient temple complex will be interesting thing and people should know about it, thats why it deserves place in "did you know" section. Thanks. --Human3015TALK 18:57, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- Human3015 Totally agree it is fascinating. As I said in my post to you I had no idea and Angkor Wat has long been on my bucket list. I agree there is probably not enough material to make two separate articles and clearly think the events are notable. Maybe it would be less confusing to name it Angkor Wat Marathons and then have each of them get a separate section? You could explain in the lede about the sponsors and the course being the same and then in each separate part about the charities for each and their creation? Feel free to ask someone else what they think, I think it is a worthy topic, but just needs some tweaks to the structure of the article (and the citations to the hooks to follow the statements). SusunW (talk) 19:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- @SusunW: Hi, I have created 2 separate sections for each marathon. Also moved article name. How it is now? --Human3015TALK 10:53, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
I have made a minor tweak to the main hook, to reflect that it is talking about the half marathon. The changes to the structure make it much clearer that these are two separate events. I am having to AGF the main hook, as the version of the Bangkok Post on the file is a paid subscription. (Were it me, I would change out the url on the file for the free link to the article.) The 2nd hook is verified in the file by citation. Now 2515 char. GTG and happy Thanksgiving. SusunW (talk) 14:34, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
- @SusunW: Hi, I have created 2 separate sections for each marathon. Also moved article name. How it is now? --Human3015TALK 10:53, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
- Human3015 Totally agree it is fascinating. As I said in my post to you I had no idea and Angkor Wat has long been on my bucket list. I agree there is probably not enough material to make two separate articles and clearly think the events are notable. Maybe it would be less confusing to name it Angkor Wat Marathons and then have each of them get a separate section? You could explain in the lede about the sponsors and the course being the same and then in each separate part about the charities for each and their creation? Feel free to ask someone else what they think, I think it is a worthy topic, but just needs some tweaks to the structure of the article (and the citations to the hooks to follow the statements). SusunW (talk) 19:16, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
- @SusunW: Thanks for your detailed review. Yes, these are 2 different events. They can have different motto. The reason to bundle them is that they are "organized", "sponsored", "supported" by same agencies. You can see bottom of both official websites to see name of associates. [1], [2]. Name of the article is "Angkor Wat Marathon" but none of these 2 marathons have same name, one is named "Angkor Wat International Half Marathon" and 2nd one is named "Angkor Empire Marathon". But both are organized by same agency and at same place that is at Angkor Wat temple. So instead of making 2 different articles on 2 marathons organized by same agency at same place I thought merging them under one article will be better thing. Thats why I created separate section for "Angkor Empire Marathon" within same article. And read last para here which says it is first full marathon of Cambodia. I think it is very interesting topic, because many people knows famous temple of Angkor Wat but hardly anyone knows about marathon held there. Running at such historic place around ancient temple complex will be interesting thing and people should know about it, thats why it deserves place in "did you know" section. Thanks. --Human3015TALK 18:57, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
