Template:Did you know nominations/Amy Rose

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:33, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Amy Rose

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... that Amy Rose, a character in the Sonic the Hedgehog video games, appeared in That '90s Show|an episode of The Simpsons?

ALT1:... that Amy Rose, a character in the Sonic the Hedgehog video games, fights with a bow and arrow in the comic book series Sonic the Comic?
ALT2:... that Amy Rose, a character in the Sonic the Hedgehog video games, was called "Princess Sally" in the manual of her first game?
ALT3:... that a GamesRadar writer simply stated "Total bitch" about Amy Rose in an article with several sentences about each of the other Sonic the Hedgehog characters?
Comment: It's probably been long enough that another Sonic character DYK wouldn't be weird now. Anyway, I gave four possible hooks since the first three are all cited to primary sources (I'm not sure if that's acceptable - though, to be clear, the facts are all pretty explicit and not WP:OR), while the last is kind of unpleasant. There's also some feminist stuff, but that might be opening a can of worms with little reason.

Improved to Good Article status by Tezero (talk). Self nominated at 23:33, 3 May 2014 (UTC).

This newly promoted GA is new enough and long enough and in other ways seems to meet the DYK criteria, but the only hook I could approve would be ALT3. The other hooks are cited to Wikipedia articles and I believe that is unacceptable. Also, I think you need to do a QPQ review. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:56, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

They're not cited to the articles themselves; it's that they're non-URL sources so the article is the only link that shows up. Regardless, perhaps hook 3 is the best. And I'll do a review if you want, though I thought you had to have nominated 5 DYKs and this is my 4th. Tezero (talk) 14:47, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

@BlueMoonset: Well if this will be your fourth DYK, that's OK, but I need to ask someone else about the references. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:24, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Cwmhiraeth, if the template used for the reference (as in the Simpsons one) is the "cite episode" template, then I believe that's okay. (Same with "cite comic", "cite book", etc.) What this is doing is citing the actual work—the broadcast episode or the comic book or regular book—as the source of the information; the episode name (or comic, or book) is naturally wikilinked if it has been written up on Wikipedia. It's an ancillary link to information on Wikipedia, like there would be about the publisher or writer. The episode/comic/book itself is a primary source (see WP:WAF for talk about primary sources for fiction and what it can be used for); while I'm not positive, I believe that factually describing something that appears on screen/in print would be covered by this. (I've certainly used it that way in articles.) I'll let you decide once you've read the guideline. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:08, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

You are probably right but I would still prefer to go with ALT3 for safety sake, or the original hook could be used. I have struck the other two. The article is a newly promoted GA and has been nominated within the correct timeframe. There are inline citations for the hook facts. Ready to go. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:54, 11 May 2014 (UTC)