Template:Did you know nominations/Amund Dietzel

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The result was: promoted by Z1720 (talk) 18:03, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

Amund Dietzel

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Dietzel in 1914

... that Amund Dietzel, the first professional tattoo artist in Milwaukee, learned to tattoo after he went to sea at age 14? Source: Shepherd Express, 2010: "After his father’s death, Dietzel joined one of Norway’s merchant fleets at the age of 14." + OnMilwaukee, 2013: "Finding no one tattooing here, the man a newspaper dubbed the "Rembrandt of the rind" saw an opportunity and set up shop in a number of Downtown locations over the years"
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Eliane Morissens

Created by Dreamyshade (talk). Self-nominated at 01:32, 19 June 2022 (UTC).

Thank you for writing the article on an interesting bloke. The image is super and I would like to see it run with the article. I am asking for a license check with another editor but it is now labeled as public domain. The QPQ is done, the article is new and long enough. The hook is interesting and verified. The article uses the correct inline citations and there are no copyright issues. We have to work (pictured) into the hook, but that comma is holding me back from inserting it. Bruxton (talk) 20:54, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
- @Dreamyshade and Bruxton: out of an abundance of caution, I'm going to raise concerns with ALT0 – we've had a lot of hooks claiming that something was the "first" or "only" erroneously. First, exceptional claims require exceptional sources, and I don't think that onmilwaukee.com is really reputable enough to make that claim to my satisfaction. It does cite a published book, but I can't access it – I can't say I trust it completely, but I'd be interested to see what it says. More broadly, though, getting to a city and finding no tattoo artists doesn't mean that he was the first. Either he didn't himself find any, which could well mean that there were tattoo artists out of his sight, or there actually weren't any at the time, which still means that it's possible there was a tattoo artist in milwaukee who just closed up shop before he got there. Either way, the phrasing doesn't imply that he was first. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 03:57, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
  - Fair! Unfortunately the authoritative books about Dietzel by Jon Reitel are not easy to find; I don't have access to them myself. Here are a couple alts for consideration. Dreamyshade (talk) 06:10, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Amund Dietzel, sometimes called the "Rembrandt of the Rind", learned to tattoo after he went to sea at age 14?
ALT2: ... that Amund Dietzel, a tattoo artist who worked in Milwaukee from 1913–1967, influenced the American traditional tattoo style?
- Coolcool! Happy to tick ALT1 as cited and interesting, but ALT2 is both a little dryer and cited to researchgate (which sometimes does preprints). theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:44, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
  - Thanks! ALT1 is my preference too - gives a better hint of the colorful life Dietzel led. I'll update that citation with the ResearchGate link though, since I checked again and it looks like there's a better PDF link straight from the publisher. Dreamyshade (talk) 15:20, 6 July 2022 (UTC)