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The following discussion is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 23:53, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Amina Mama, African Gender Institute, Feminist Africa

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African Gender Institute open house

... that after twice fleeing civil unrest in Nigeria, Amina Mama moved to South Africa—where she became director of the African Gender Institute (pictured) and founding editor of its peer-reviewed journal, Feminist Africa?

  • Reviewed: Exobourgo
  • Comment: Open to suggestions on the hook but I think it would be cool to get all 3 articles together. Also, edits on Feminist Africa got messy but they seem to have stabilized.

Created/expanded by Groupuscule (talk), Guillaume2303 (talk), Drmies (talk), and 76.71.217.249 (talk) . Nom by groupuscule at 06:24, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

  • To take each article in turn:
  • Amina Mama: article underwent a 5x expansion 24 October 2012, and is substantially long enough (3,225 characters). The hook is not specifically cited inline during the article. Ref #6, ("Amina Mama", The Women's Building, accessed 24 October 2012.) Is this citing the webpage [1], in which case, the URL should be provided? The second instance of her "fleeing" Nigeria is not cited, and the next reference provided gives no details of this. Ref #8 provides an inline reference for the rest of the hook. As far as this article goes, with Ref #6 tidied up, and a citation provided for her fleeing Nigeria in 2000, I'd be reasonably happy, although the other references need completing (most are missing access dates).
  • African Gender Institute: article was created on 27 October 2012, and is plenty long enough (2,501 characters). The article does not mention at all that Amina Mama helped to found it, but does make mention of Feminist Africa. I think the key points of the hook need to be present in the article: I'm not concerned about Amina Mama's history of fleeing Nigeria being included, but that she helped to found the institute should be. Again, the references could do with tidying up.
  • Feminist Africa: article was created on 27 October 2012, and is sneaks in at (1,725 characters). The first thing that drew my attention is that it has a "citation needed" tag: article which are going to appear on the main page should be free of any maintenance tags like this, so you need to provide a suitable reference to remove that. There is also a "not in citation given" for Ref #8. Again, there is no mention that Amina Mama helped to found the journal, only that she has been editor-in-chief since it was established.
  • Spotchecks of all three articles reveal no evidence of copyvio or close para-phrasing.
  • At the moment I would say that all three articles need a little bit of work before they can appear on DYK, particularly with regard to tidying references, and providing the hook details in the article with appropriate inline citations. Harrias talk 15:20, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Hi! Thanks for the review. Upon closer inspection, the AGI was actually created in 1996. Mama became the director, helped to create many of its important initiatives, and is credited with expanding its influence... but the hook as stated was really not accurate. Good catch. I think changes to the hook, above, reflect precisely what the sources say. I've also replaced the picture of Amina Mama (removed because of the apparent ambiguity of its CC license) with a picture of an open house at the AGI.
  • Citations in the various articles have been increased and bolstered. I removed the tags in the Feminist Africa article, which (if you look through the history you will find) resulted from a bizarre conflict over the article as a whole. I'm pretty sure that the citation listed after the sentence about the journal's funding verifies the whole sentence. I also think the claim about African diaspora is supported by the MacGregor article, but to bolster the claim I restored a citation which had been removed (on the grounds of it being promotional—maybe it is "promotional", but it also supports the claim...) It would be great if you could double check my assessment here, since evidently at least one person strenuously disagreed.
  • I also believe that the MacGregor article supports both 'flights' from Nigeria. (I worry a little about sensationalizing an 'instability in Africa' narrative, but then again the point of DYK is to be a little sensational.) Indeed, this article supports almost all of the hook, although it doesn't quite identify Mama as the founding editor.
  • And finally, you are correct about the Women's Building link, which I added to the article. Thank you for your helpful critique. groupuscule (talk) 17:35, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
  • The first two article are now good to go; everything checks out fine in those. However, issues remain in the Feminist Africa article, which has been tagged again since your last edits. I would suggest talking things through with the other editor and working out some wording that you are both happy is supported by the sources, or this could just continue. Harrias talk 11:55, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
  • OK, that's good on the first two articles. I made some comments on the talk page and maybe Guillaume and I can work it out. I'm also curious whether you have an opinion about those citations—maybe I'm totally missing something here. groupuscule (talk) 04:39, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Removed "fails verification" tags after receiving no response on the talk page. Wording in the "funding" sentence is now more precise. I hope this is OK. groupuscule (talk) 22:47, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Having a look, this is still ongoing. I would suggest removing the third article from the hook, and proceeding with the first two unless an agreement can be reached soon, otherwise the whole nomination is likely to be rejected on account of the instability of the Feminist Africa article. Harrias talk 17:12, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
  • OK. I do think it's getting closer. I just revised the page based on talk page comments, and there is an invitation for User:Randykitty to remove one of the "fails verification" citations if they think it's truly inappropriate. (The other two I think clearly belong.) Again, I don't think this instability is due to a substantial disagreement and I am curious about your view. groupuscule (talk) 17:43, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Bump: all articles seem to be stable. groupuscule (talk) 06:04, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
I'm now ready to give this triple hook a tick. Feminist Africa article has now been stable for 2 weeks. I couldn't see any outstanding issues with any of the articles. Articles are long enough, new enough, neutral and referenced. Hook fact (or at least part of the hook fact) is mentioned in all three articles. Moswento talky 14:12, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
  • The hook is now too long. Suggest removing "peer-reviewed" and "twice" to read: "... that after fleeing civil unrest in Nigeria, Amina Mama moved to South Africa, where she became director of the African Gender Institute (pictured) and founding editor of its journal, Feminist Africa?" which squeaks under if one doesn't count "(pictured)". Espresso Addict (talk) 17:01, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Actually, the hook is not too long, since the rules for multi-article hooks allow for exceeding 200 characters under certain conditions, which this certainly meets (see WP:DYKSG#C3); I make it at 180 characters excluding the "(pictured)" and the two shorter article names. The suggested deletions do not need to be made for this to qualify; we can leave it to the promoter to decide whether they would improve or lessen the effectiveness of the hook. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:26, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Just confirming that my review still stands. Moswento talky 08:08, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
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