Template:Did you know nominations/1080 (skateboarding)

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The result was: promoted by BlueMoonset (talk) 19:28, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

1080 (skateboarding)

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... that 12-year-old Tom Schaar is the only one to complete a 1080 on a skateboard?

Created/expanded by Ini uyo (talk). Nominated by Karl 334 (talk) at 20:45, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Caution: This is at ITNC, will need to watch if it goes up tere. (granted, not likely at this point())Lihaas (talk) 07:35, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

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ALT1:

- ... that the first skateboarder to complete a 1080 stunt was reported to be 12-year-old Tom Schaar in March 2012?

Creation date 2 April 2012 OK. Prose size 1546 OK but expansion desirable. No obvious copyvios. Some sources are cited but I think more should be included, e.g. [1][2][3][4] One potential issue is the verifiability of this feat. The unfortunate late-March event resulted in some news reports being made on April Fools' Day. A couple of videos ([5][6]) show the stunt from two angles, so I guess it's OK. Any comment on this in the article would be WP:OR though.

The ITN item ([Ready] Skateboarding's first 1080) has been passed, although is still being discussed. I'm even less familiar with ITN than DYK, so don't know what to make of that. -- Trevj (talk) 13:59, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

The ITN will not be posted. It's too stale. Karl 334 ^Talk-^-Contribs 15:04, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Could someone look at this? I think it didn't pass ITN but what with my complete ignorance of their mysterious ways I cannot tell. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 19:35, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

- Didn't pass ITN at least partially because it took so long to discuss that it wasn't in the news anymore. This still meets DYK requirements, size, date, and sourcing. The main hook reads better than ALT1, though they both work. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 00:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

Adding hyphens to age in main hook (they're already used in the ALT1). Saves time to do it now rather than after promotion. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:32, 1 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm concerned that some of the phrasing in the article may be too close to that of this source. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Made some changes, the phrasing is close but not an exact copy. Karl 334 ^Talk-^-Contribs 15:41, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

No, but it's quite close. Check out WP:Close paraphrasing. Nikkimaria (talk) 17:03, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

I rewrote that section, also suggesting ALT3 (it's melodramatic but interesting). ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 21:04, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

ALT3... that 12-year-old Tom Schaar is the only person to ever complete a 1080, described as "the holy grail of all skateboard tricks”?
- The issues have been fixed, if someone wants to check it out. ▫ JohnnyMrNinja 04:12, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

~~remove failed icon~~ Sorry, this fails as it's not long enough. An article needs 1500 bytes of prose, and that excludes quotations. When you deduct the quotations, it's well below the requirement. That's a shame, really. I did see the item on the news back then and it certainly was most impressive, so it's deserving of an article a bit more substantial than what we've got. Schwede 66 10:03, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

[...] quotes using something like {{Quote box}}, which aren't present in the article.

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Really? WP:DYKSG refers to block quotes. My understanding of this term is...

-- Trevj (talk) 13:26, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Quotations are not excluded, just blockquotes. The quotes that are used in this article are inline and perfectly permissible and count toward the total. It's only the long quotes, on the order of 40 words or more, that wouldn't count (they're supposed to be formatted as blockquotes anyway), and none of the quotes in the article are even half that long. I've done a bit of expansion on Schaar landing the 1080 in competition a month later and moved things around, and DYKcheck puts the prose at 1651 characters. Can we please have someone verify that the fixes made by JohnnyMrNinja have addressed Nikkimaria's objections regarding close paraphrasing, and check ALT3 (note: there never was an ALT2). Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 15:37, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Oops, sorry for that blunder. Having had another read of the rules, I was wrong. I didn't look at anything else, so yes, it needs a review now. Might get round to it myself tonight. Schwede 66 23:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Finally good to go, and I would say ALT3 would be the best hook, as it provides context without being waffly. Moswento ^talky 13:23, 30 May 2012 (UTC)