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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 23:01, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

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À la zingara

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5x expanded by Northamerica1000 (talk). Self-nominated at 21:25, 8 April 2016 (UTC).

  • Article more than 5x expanded within 7 days before nomination, hook appears interesting and is supported by two credible sources, no copyvio detected, QPQ done. A few points need to be noticed though;
  • The lead is too big for the article, looking at the article size it should have only one or two paras. Moreover, the lead has a lot of facts not mentioned in the main text of the article. Please ensure the lead looks like a summary of the article.
  • Perhaps we can add something like "the French" or "the more complex" before à la zingara? Sainsf <^>Feel at home 05:43, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
  • @Sainsf: I've copy edited the article to address your concerns. Feel free to add an alternate hook below if you'd like. North America1000 16:32, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
  • @Northamerica1000: Thanks, the article is much better; but I think you missed the source for this line The term "zigeuner" has been used...German public building cafeterias.
I was not sure what hook to suggest, well, I'll give it a try. I wish to highlight that the gypsy sauce, though used in Austrian, French as well as German cuisine, could have actually come from France.
  • Review needed for ALT1. I like ALT1, a bit more descriptive. Adding review needed icon for ALT1. North America1000 05:24, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
  • The rule in DYK is that there must be an inline citation for each hook fact. In this instance I cannot find such an inline citation. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:00, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
  • I saw that sentence, it was the French connection that I didn't see spelled out. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:13, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
  • @Cwmhiraeth: The article is written based upon what the sources state. The hook does not include anything about Gypsy sauce being a French sauce, nor does the sentence in the article that the hook is based upon. It's unclear what you're looking to correct here. North America1000 17:47, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
  • The original hook stated that "gypsy sauce may have originated from à la zingara" and ALT1 that "gypsy sauce may have originated from the French sauce à la zingara", but I do not see where it states in the article that "à la zingara" is a French sauce. It does mention it is used in "French cuisine" but that does not necessarily make it French. Aren't I being difficult! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:31, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
  • @Cwmhiraeth: It's all good, I was addressing the hook, but not the alt. I've struck the ALT, because it's not supported by the sources. So, just need a review for the initial hook. North America1000 18:40, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
  • OK. We've got over the French connection, but the one sentence which supports the hook is "Gypsy sauce (German: Zigeunersauce) may have originated from à la zingara, which is prepared using many of the same ingredients." in the lead. If that sentence had a citation, everything would be fine. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 19:03, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
  • @Cwmhiraeth: I changed the lead sentence to read "Gypsy sauce (German: Zigeunersauce) may have originated from à la zingara", separating this concept from the similarity in ingredients, which is self-explanatory per the sources. Again, this is cited in the last paragraph and last sentence in the Preparation section. Citations do not need to be in the lead if they're present in the article body for the same content. Also, the hook here does not state anything about ingredient similarity. North America1000 19:59, 6 May 2016 (UTC)
  • This article is a five-fold expansion and is new enough and long enough. I had not noticed before that each of the two "Notes" had references, so I now think the ALT0 hook facts are sufficiently cited. The article is neutral and free from copyright issues. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 04:59, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
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