Talk:Zeta Tau Alpha/Archive 1

Archive 1

Is this sorority still restricted? If so, that ought to be mentioned FlaviaR 19:12, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Restricted? How so? This is the first time I've heard any mention of this.. --ImmortalGoddezz 19:18, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Secret motto?

Should the secret motto … be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.57.159.92 (talk • contribs) 20:38, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Comment edited to delete the alleged motto. —C.Fred (talk) 01:34, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

If it's secret, no. It can't be included unless it can be found in a reliable source; if it's published that widely, then it's not secret. —C.Fred (talk) 22:41, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

And a Google search on the motto you mentioned returns two results, neither of which have a connection to the sorority. —C.Fred (talk) 22:46, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

I guess its not a secret anymore —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.229.97.110 (talk) 08:41, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Putting this issue to bed

An anonymous editor blanked out basically the entire comment starting the section above yesterday. I went for the courtesy cut and deleted the actual text of the motto. (Which, yes, it's still in edit history, but it isn't out on display on the talk page now.) Even though it's been anonymous IPs raising the issue, I agree that there's no point in displaying the motto without sources, even on the talk page.

If anybody has issues with the treatment, discuss it here rather than continuing to hack up the comments above. Or, for that matter, should the section just be archived altogether? —C.Fred (talk) 21:46, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Archive would be my vote. If it's archived then theoretically the issue is put to bed and shouldn't be brought up anymore. I don't think I've ever had an issue with somebody (user or IP) modifying comments (even about things such as mottos) after they've been archived. --ImmortalGoddezz 21:53, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Archives

Archive 1 2007-Feb 2008

Shannon James

The intro to Shannon James identifies her as a Playboy centerfold. The addition is sourced. What compelling reason is there to omit that facet of her from her listing? I thought this had been discussed here previously, but I think it was at users' talk pages. —C.Fred (talk) 21:59, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Quoting the Philadelphia Daily News article cited: "Her Zeta Tau Alpha sorority sisters may have been bummed that Shannon James posed for Playboy, but we're guessing readers of the magazine will be more than happy to see Miss May 2007." Even if James were expelled for posing, it's arguable that she should still be listed in the article. Regardless, there is no evidence of her expulsion or resignation, so there's no reason to exclude her from the list just because she posed. —C.Fred (talk) 16:20, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Shannon James is not a member of Zeta Tau Alpha. http://www.zetataualpha.org/cms400min/Template4SF.aspx?id=224&linkidentifier=id&itemid=224&tlmid=17 Austinzta (talk) 15:48, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Just because James is not listed on ZTA's listing of notable alumnae does not mean that she is not one. —C.Fred (talk) 22:24, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

If you want to find out whether she was a member you can find out by contacting ZTA International Office. I don't think posing for Playboy would be condoned (or even addressed) by the standards, but things can fall through the cracks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.20.243.46 (talk) 16:25, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Why do we need to, when there's already a reliable source that she is (or at least was) a member? —C.Fred (talk) 00:11, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

ZTA International Office does not have record of a Shannon James being an initiated member.75.149.195.121 (talk) 20:33, 14 February 2013 (UTC) ZTA International Office 15:32, 14 February 2013

According to what published source does ZTA International state that James was never an initiated member? We have a reliable source that says she has been. —C.Fred (talk) 00:48, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Personally, I would like to see more references for the claim that she is a member of ZTA. One of the citations doesn't work and the other is a personal website. She *probably* was, but I did a web search and couldn't find any source that wikipedia finds reputable. Aside from that, I'm not sure how notable she is, so I'm not sure if there's a great argument for including her when the source information is in question. I fixed the citations for the rest of the article and put sources for most of the other ZTA members. Unfortunately I wasn't able to find anything for Jenna Morasca. She mentions ZTA a lot on twitter, so again, she is most likely a ZTA, but I wasn't able to find any reputable sources. Maybe someone else can look :-) Bali88 (talk) 00:55, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

NPOV

I just trimmed a huge amount of fan talk from the article, but there's more left ("In the 2004–2006 biennium the ZTA Foundation raised $5 million that went toward scholarships for 150 members, promoted the Zeta Tau Alpha philanthropy, developed leadership opportunities, and educated our members on important women’s issues") and every chance that it will return. Drmies (talk) 03:46, 18 December 2012 (UTC)