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A fact from Zeituni Onyango appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 10 November 2008, and was viewed approximately 3,994 times (disclaimer) (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Zeituni Onyango is the half-aunt of President-elect Barack Obama and a political asylum claimant from Kenya whose case was disclosed in the final days of the 2008 U.S. presidential election?

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Keep this page

Don't play "Simon Says" (with President Obama as Simon) by merging and thereby concealing the ongoing immigration vignette that is Zeituni Onyango.

If the President's half-aunt can openly flout immigration law, live here the rest of her life in public housing, and never has to pay a price for her deeds -- and if the President, whose excuse of ignorance has now worn off, who earned $5 million last year, doesn't have any responsibility as her near relative to care for her, and doesn't pay a political price for that -- then there is no such thing anymore as a scandal. The Teapot Dome scandal brought down the presidency of Warren G. Harding for far, far less.

There is precedent for the lives and antics of the President's near relatives being notable and relevant, obtaining a significant news footprint, and going on after the Presidency has ended.

Billy Carter. Roger Clinton. Michael Reagan and Ron Reagan, Jr. Hugh and Tony Rodham. Barbara and Jenna Bush. David Eisenhower and Julie Nixon. LBJ's daughter "Linda Bird." President George W. Bush, as the President's son, fits here.

Many of the near relatives of Presidents become celebrities in their own rights, some of them become officeholders, some bask in the undeserved celebrity spotlight a la Paris Hilton.

I hope that President Obama doesn't consider himself fortunate in that so many of his relatives (who would likely be embarrassing to him if they were alive and interviewing) are now dead, or are living in some shack in Kenya where the media apparently can't find them or don't want to find them.

But Zeituni Onyango is here, she remained here for years after the government required her to leave, she is on public relief, and her famous nephew who is worth millions of dollars apparently doesn't even send her a birthday card.

Every time she has a court date, every time a judge orders her to leave the country, every time she contributes illegally to a political campaign, we the people should know about it.

Because if she can do this, anyone can do this. —Jessemckay (talk) 19:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This page should be deleted

If ever there was candidate that a page should be deleted because of "lack of notability" , this is it.Barmispain (talk) 21:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Can't walk/wheelchair

I've now added this information plus the "proud woman" Obama content as they are put in context of her case rather than just bits that didn't seem notable. -- Banjeboi 16:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removed "There is no evidence that Onyango has ever used or requested the use of a wheelchair, however" because no citation was offered and if it is an unsubstantiated claim, then it libelously insinuates the prior statement is a lie.

HonorKnight82 (talk) 13:13, 21 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Guest at Ohio State Ball

Ohio Democrats party, complete with the Ohio State University marching band by Mark Naymik and Stephen Koff/Plain Dealer Reporters January 18, 2009. -- Banjeboi 03:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Public housing issues brought up

"Many illegal immigrants live in public housing" by By ELLIOT SPAGAT – Jan 1, 2009, Associated Press. -- Banjeboi 03:47, 21 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Political favoritism

Is president's aunt benefitting from political favoritism? by Jo Ann Bainter, March 5, 2009; Lancaster Eagle-Gazette. -- Banjeboi 03:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

so what exactly is her status now. this article goes on and on about nonsense, but never says what the outcome of her case is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.120.169 (talk) 20:09, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if there has been an update in her case at all, or if there was if it had been reported. -- Banjeboi 09:06, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested merge

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result was do not merge into Family of Barack Obama. Airplaneman ✈ 23:52, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Zeituni Onyango → Family of Barack Obama — Obviously a mistake as this is the aunt of a country's president? She is a private person. There is nothing there to say she is notable as it says in Wikipedia's guidebook and this page is inflated by adding her connection to protests in Kenya and other pieces of news which do not even mention her, like this [1] from a foreign media to make her look good and its not even about her! She got mention in some book? And she's not even a proper relation only a half one to the father of this president? She donated money to a campaign? Who wrote this and whoever they are they are pushing their agenda too far. It was obviously written as a thank you for donating which is against what Wikipedia stands for. But if she doesn't know she has a pahe she should be told. She should be moved to his family page and preferably deleted as Wikipedia does not have places for other old ladies who have done as much as this which is nothing. She would be rolling around in her grave if she knew she was being victimised with this sort of treatment. A woman known for being the aunt of a famous person is going too far and Wikipedia cannot have place for this or it might as well have place for all the relations of the president of zimbabwe or england or france or russia or any other country too and all those who make false claims they are related to any celebrity and get in the papers when news happens like this or who pretend to have sex.

Dear unsigned, "She would be rolling around in her grave" Do you have any information that suggest that this person died? Hobartimus (talk) 15:38, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose merge. Here's an article from just a month ago confirming her medical issues and that tribal violence is part of her asylum appeal. Plenty of reliable sources support what we have here and a summary of this article is already in the family list article. -- Banjeboi 09:11, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the article is far too large to be merged. Hobartimus (talk) 20:29, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose merge the subject was a major issue during the 2008 presidential campaign, and is still an issue to this day in light of current (May 2010) immigration policy of the US. The information in the original article is way too critical to be combined into this as a simple footnote and would, in my opinion, be a sign of bias and violate Wikipedia policy on maintaining a neutral point of view. While it may be that the target article is "too large" or could use editing, then I say "go there and edit, young editor!"--Paul McDonald (talk) 14:05, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Polygamy

I see that some content describing Barack Obama's father (and by extension, Onyango's) as a polygamist, drunk, wife beater, etc., has landed here after being rejected from a number of other articles. I have a few concerns about this. First, what is the relevance to this article? Does the source make the connection that this is of biological significance to Onyango or is that an assumption? Second, there seems to be a POV issue. Simultaneous marriages, drunk driving, and domestic abuse are three big taboos, so are they being described fairly, sensationalized, stretched, etc? That brings up the third issue, the reliability of the source. This is cited to a single source, a long article in Forbes by Dinesh D'Souza that appears on its face to be an opinion piece critical of Barack Obama (in the first few paragraphs, calling him the most anti-business President, bizarre, etc). It's hard to easily decide if this material belongs here, but if it does, at a minimum we need some backup sourcing. If this is true, fairly described, relevant and of due weight, then less politically charged stories would certainly exist about it. - Wikidemon (talk) 15:20, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I heard Forbes stands firmly behind that story. What would make Forbes unreliable? Also some of the statements are not too much in dispute for exl. drunk driving or not this can be determined based on evidence etc. It comes down to whether we can trust the publisher to examine the evidence fairly or no. With that said I don't see the relevance to Onyango, it seems to me the material could be more relevant to the Obama article and to the Obama's father article. Hobartimus (talk) 17:10, 22 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:RS, a source is a particular piece, by a particular author, in a particular publication, used with respect to specific facts in a given article. We can't abstract that into a statement that the entire publication is or is not reliable. Most every publication is usable for some purposes, not for others. This piece is problematic due to mixing opinion and fact, basically being an editorial offered without a disclaimer, and coming from a very conservative author whose work some would feel has some bias and credibility issues. We know some stuff in there is not reliable at all - we can't use it as a source to say that Obama's actions are "bizarre" and "strange" or that his supporters are "mystified". Once we know the piece has reliability problems, there is a serious question what if anything we can trust. I would therefore challenge this as a reliable piece, and ask for other sources. If this is the only source reporting this stuff, then it is not adequately verified. If Forbes does this regularly it might cast doubt on the publication's overall trustworthiness to distinguish facts from opinions and advocacy. Because Forbes is a reputable publication, we can assume they did adequate fact checking on basic details. It mentions that Obama made a speech on June 15, 2010 so we can assume that to be true. Anyway, at a minimum, I'll go ahead and remove the impertinent details from the footnote (the ones that don't support the content in the body of the article). On the question of relevance, let's assume it is true that Obama's father was an abusive alcoholic polygamist. That probably would have a significant effect on the children, it only stands to reason. But we would need sources explaining that, we can't just assume things. So if we sourced that better I would look for sources that explain how that affected the children's lives. - 18:47, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Date of death

Most sources say she died at about 4 a.m. on Tuesday April 8, 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.34.211 (talk) 11:51, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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