Talk:Zak Ringelstein

Stand-alone article

{{request edit}} Zak Ringelstein has received significant media covering before and during his campaign for the United States Senate. He should have a stand-alone Wikipedia page.OnAcademyStreet (talk) 15:00, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Please offer any RS not related to his seeking public office per WP:NPOLITICIAN. The border incident is related because he demanded entry to the facility as a U.S. Senate candidate and if he was not one he would have gotten zero coverage. 331dot (talk) 16:40, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Please also formally declare the COI you state you have. 331dot (talk) 16:43, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

I know Zak personally and am a supporter of his campaign. Not sure what the boundary is on what constitutes COI, but better safe than sorry. As for coverage beyond his Senate campaign, there was media coverage associated with the company he founded, UClass.

Even beyond that, however, I think the coverage he has received as a Senate candidate constitutes sufficient notability. Candidates are not inherently notable just for being candidates, but Ringelstein has received significantly more coverage than the typical first-time candidate, even for U.S. Senate. Ringelstein is referenced four different times in The New York Times' archives, compared to just twice for Eric Brakey, his Republican opponent. While Brakey is automatically entitled to a page as a result of his status as a state senator, Ringelstein's coverage in comparison to Brakey's is a significant piece of information in determining whether as a candidate, Ringelstein rises to the level of notability. I believe he does.OnAcademyStreet (talk) 17:10, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

I would first thank you for stating the nature of your relationship with Mr. Ringelstein. Too many people don't make such statements when they should be so you've done a lot more than many others. If you just know him and are a supporter, it is not a big concern, but good for other users to be aware of.

I might suggest that you draft an article on this page(below) about Mr. Ringelstein without mentioning his Senate candidacy(yet); I'd be interested in seeing if he meets WP:BIO just based on his career outside of politics per WP:NPOLITICIAN. If he does, then the rest can be added. 331dot (talk) 20:01, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

I will work on drafting one on the basis of him as a tech entrepreneur and seeing if it fits WP:BIO, but I am inclined to think that the best argument for Ringelstein's inclusion comes from a combination. Solely as a politician, he may not be notable enough, and solely as a businessman the same might be true. Together, however, I see a critical mass of public notice that justifies his inclusion on Wikipedia. Is there a policy that allows for aggregate notable-ness, or does someone have to be sufficiently notable in just one area of their life?OnAcademyStreet (talk) 20:47, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

It's hard to say but you could at least make a good case with a combination, I think. I personally can guarantee very little, as any Wikipedia user could raise concerns, but as long as there is some sort of notability other than as a politician(which in this case is specifically called out as insufficient) you have a chance. 331dot (talk) 20:53, 29 June 2018 (UTC)