Talk:Zainab Salbi/GA1

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Reviewer: Mujinga (talk · contribs) 15:32, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Spotchecks

• On this version
• 1 i have access to Gale via wikipedia library but I'm having issues finding this source. can you check you can access it? if yes fine, if not maybe use 3 instead

I also could not access. I've used source #3 and added a new source for her date of birth, it's not very reliable, it's a book publisher, but I assume non controversial. CT55555(talk) 17:17, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

cool - since the gale ref is secondary, I'd say just use that rather than adding the other one Mujinga (talk) 08:12, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I think I needed the book for the year though. CT55555(talk) 13:05, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh yeah that's true I was remembering another gale article which did give the DoB Mujinga (talk) 09:58, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

• 3 says "Her father was a commercial pilot, and her mother was a teacher" and we say "" "Her mother worked as a teacher and her father was a commercial pilot." - that's a bit close, can you rephrase?

Have rephrased. CT55555(talk) 17:19, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

• 4 ok but needs fleshing out, right now it just says "BETWEEN TWO WORLDS | Kirkus Reviews." - no author, date etc

Have cited better. CT55555(talk) 17:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

• 5 ok
• 9a ok
• 9b&18 "Salbi also visited and wrote a report about Iraq for Women Waging Peace in conjunction with the Woodrow Wilson Center on the role of women in the country post-conflict.[9][18]" - hmmm. so 9 says she visited Iraq, 18 says Salbi had a key role in the report which is being published "by Women Waging Peace in conjunction with the Woodrow Wilson Center on the role of women in post-conflict Iraq" - so this needs rephrasing to avoid close paraphrasing AND to stick to what the source says

Yeah, you are being charitable to call that close-paraphrasing and not simply a copyright violation, I think. I've rewritten it and remove the SYNTH and possible over stating her role in the report. CT55555(talk) 17:26, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

• 10 ok
• 11 ok
• 15 AGF
• 16 "The organization was led by Salbi from 1993 to 2011, during which time its humanitarian and development efforts helped over 478,000 women in eight conflict areas and distributed over $120 million in direct aid and micro credit loans" - not seeing much of that in source? in fact it says "The group has now served 153,000 women in countries such as the Democratic Republic of Congo, Rwanda, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Bosnia, Kosovo and Sudan. It has distributed more than $42 million in direct aid and loans"

I wasn't able to access. This article was PROMO before heavy editing and I assume updated but unverified data was used here. I've cut it back to the numbers and countries you quote. CT55555(talk) 17:33, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Shall I send you the Time article? Or maybe you can reach it with a VPN. "The organization was led by Salbi from 1993 to 2011" is not backed by the Time article Mujinga (talk) 08:13, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I'd be happy if you sent it. CT55555(talk) 13:05, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

sent! Mujinga (talk) 14:17, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Note to self TO DO CT55555(talk) 13:07, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I made edits (added back in "micro loans", cited list of countries). I think this is resolved, but let me know if I should do something lese. CT55555(talk) 14:29, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Cool, this bit still open - "The organization was led by Salbi from 1993 to 2011" is not backed by the Time article Mujinga (talk) 09:59, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

I added https://www.womenforwomen.org/about/our-team/zainab-salbi as a citation for the role dates. CT55555(talk) 13:08, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

I found a source for the higher numbers of women helped and dollars spent and added the higher numbers back in. https://www.ft.com/content/4feead90-29c1-11e2-9a46-00144feabdc0 CT55555(talk) 17:34, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

That's paywalled for me, could you email it to me? Mujinga (talk) 09:01, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I was able to access it yesterday, and now it's paywalled. I guess they give us one free view. From memory, it gave detailed on spending, number of people helped and list of countries, it spoke about her apartment and it's location. CT55555(talk) 12:16, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

apologies if this is frowned upon, but i used 12ft.io to access the FT article - do you want me to send it? Mujinga (talk) 16:45, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I don't need it, unless you tell me I do for some reason. I am confident the data I recently added is properly sources, but if you have any doubts, then please tell me and feel free to send. CT55555(talk) 16:46, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

yeah i did find issues (see below), so i'll send it over in case it helps to have it Mujinga (talk) 16:54, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

• 20&21: In 2008, Women for Women International produced a report with an introduction by Salbi, based on 2004[20] and 2007 surveys of Iraqi women, including Kurdish, Shi'i, Sunni, Christian, Turkmen, and Sabai'i.[21] - so 21 is the report, would be better to have secondary source about it. re the claim "2007 surveys of Iraqi women, including Kurdish, Shi'i, Sunni, Christian, Turkmen, and Sabai'i" if this is referenced by the report I need a page number to check it. re 20, 2004 isn't mentioned in the cite?

I could not find an independent source. This doesn't seem like very important information. I suggest we just delete what is not covered in secondary sources. Seeking your thoughts? CT55555(talk) 17:42, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Update, see @Beccaynr's reply below. CT55555(talk) 18:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

It is difficult to address this without reconstructing my research, but I would plan on making this a priority to restore, based on my recollection of available sources, after this GA process concludes. Beccaynr (talk) 00:28, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

@Beccaynr: @CT55555:well the article is currently quite thin so it's probably better to pause the review and wait for more information to be added, so the coverage can be broadened to satisfy criterion3. i can pause it for two weeks how does that sound? Mujinga (talk) 08:19, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I am sorry to not be more familiar with the GA process, and I regret not contacting CT55555 after the GA nomination was made while the ANI complaint was pending to mention how I had hoped to have a chance to thoroughly review the article and to incorporate research conducted during the AfD that had closed a few days before, but had not yet had the opportunity. I sometimes do major revisions on articles, but these take a fair amount of time because of the research process - I read everything to get a sense of what is available, and have that process help determine how to construct and balance the article.

For this subject, my recollection is that between the WP Library and what is available online, there is a fair amount to work with to help develop a cohesive narrative about her life and career. I would also want to review content that has been removed, because from my view, e.g. this [1] is not necessarily 'weird promo,' but perhaps more of an indication of an article development process that had abruptly stopped. Unfortunately, I currently have a lot going on both on- and off-wiki, so I cannot promise when I may be able to refocus on this article. Maybe other editors can review and incorporate available sources in the meantime. In any event, I am sorry I did not speak up sooner about my perspective on available sources and the apparent need to review and revise the article, but if something like this ever happens again, I will be sure to be more proactive. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 15:34, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

In case it's helpful:

1. The GA nomination shouldn't prevent any article improvements, it's perfectly OK to keep improving after a nomination.
2. The "weird (promo?) edit removed some words, but added the main point elsewhere, so no content is lost, I think.
3. I agree there is no rush, so if @Mujinga is happy to pause and you want time to improve, I like that idea.

I'm happy to collaborate in any way that others find helpful. Peace. CT55555(talk) 15:52, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I think at this point it is best for me to take this article off my watchlist and to encourage other editors to review available sources and revise accordingly. I wish you all the best with this process and I am sorry that I do not know when I may be available to focus on this article. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 16:30, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

OK thanks both, let's carry on with the review then Mujinga (talk) 09:53, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

• 23 "She was also identified as one of the 100 most influential women in the world in Time Magazine and in The Guardian. Salbi announced her resignation from Women for Women International in 2011.[23]" - Time not mentioned in source, Guardian not mentioned, resignation not mentioned

Part 1 - My searches found that Guardian did identify her with something like this, have added it in. I don't think Time did (but I did find that she contributed to a Time Top 100 in 2009, so that is probably a misunderstanding or puffery - have removed Time reference). CT55555(talk) 17:47, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

I noticed that Foreign Policy gave her a Top 100 thing. Sadly could only source that to Hilton Foundation (which I consider reliable but not top tier) rather than Foreign Policy or secondary source. I added it in. CT55555(talk) 17:52, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

I found her employment end date. I added it. It doesn't say resigned, so I just said her employment ended. CT55555(talk) 17:53, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

• 27&28 "Salbi then launched The Zainab Salbi Project, an original series with Huffington Post (2016); #MeToo, Now What? with PBS (2018);[27] and Through Her Eyes with Zainab Salbi, with Yahoo! News (2019).[28]" - so 27 backs #MeToo, Now What?. 28 says "Salbi also launched The Zainab Salbi Project with Huffington Post, #MeToo, Now What? with PBS, and Through Her Eyes with Zainab Salbi with Yahoo! News." - so years aren't sourced

I have added sources for the TV shows. They are not great sources, but they do back up what was there, so not controversial, I hope you will support. CT55555(talk) 17:58, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Pix

• All three pix are relevant and appropriately licensed
• All three could use alts, although this isn't a pass/fail issue
• I think the captions for the those pix in-body are a bit too detailed, but happy to discuss.

I've added alt text for all three and edited captions for brevity and consistency. CT55555(talk) 16:27, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Other criteria

• Article is stable

Prose

• lead needs work per MOS:LEAD - prob best to do this last
• "The Iran-Iraq War also occurred during her childhood" - don't need also

"also" removed CT55555(talk) 16:30, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

• Awards and honors is referenced, but needs trimming since this is an encyclopedia entry not a CV. i'd suggest at least trimming away the awards without secondary sources and maybe makijng it into prose instead of a list. Also, there's crossover here between this section, "Salbi was identified as an influential Arab woman by Arabian Business,[29] one of the 100 Global Thinkers in the World by Foreign Policy,[30] one of the Most Influential Women on Twitter, by Fortune (2014),[31] and one of the 100 Most Powerful Arabs by Gulf Business (2019).[32]" abd She was selected as a jury member of The Hilton Humanitarian Prize.[23] Salbi sits on the board of directors of Synergos[24] and the International Refugee Assistance Project.[25]. So these could be put together into one awards and recognition section.

I've cut it down, but left in the primary stuff that seemed more of a big deal (honoury degrees, awards that seemed more of a big deal). I made it into prose, removed duplicated and merged that section into the career section. CT55555(talk) 18:09, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

nice one good work! Mujinga (talk) 08:14, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

• "She was selected as a jury member of The Hilton Humanitarian Prize.[23] Salbi sits on the board of directors of Synergos[24] and the International Refugee Assistance Project.[25]" - this seems likem puff and it's all primary sources so I'd suggest deleting

May I push back? I think someone's governance roles is relevant biographical information. It is indeed primary sources, but is verified. I don't care deeply so will delete if you don't find this agreeable, but I don't think it's puffy or PROMO to say what board roles someone has, if it is written neutrally and verified. CT55555(talk) 18:00, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

i also don't mind it to be there but the article now needs broadening out to contextualise the awards and appointments. if it's notable that she is on the board of synergos for example I would imagine there'd be a mention of it somewhere else. Mujinga (talk) 08:15, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Note To Self TO DO CT55555(talk) 13:06, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Update: I could find nothing about the board roles, so I've taken them out. For most of the awards, I was able to add why she got the awards. So I think I've done what I can. It's not a perfect fix, secondary information was sparse. My self assessment is that I've done the best I can here, and the outcome is acceptable, if not excellent. Awaiting feedback. CT55555(talk) 14:42, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

• Despite how the Guardian does it, "called Nida'a (the calling in Arabic[8])" it should be The Calling and also it would be good to use another word for "called"

Have edited that down and made simpler, corrected link CT55555(talk) 18:11, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

• "Salbi then launched The Zainab Salbi Project, an original series with Huffington Post (2016); #MeToo, Now What? with PBS (2018);[27] and Through Her Eyes with Zainab Salbi, with Yahoo! News (2019).[28]" - could you add some details on what all these shows are? based on secondary sources ideally

I added that they were television shows. Not sure if I should add more, about content etc? I could easily do that for some of them I think. CT55555(talk) 18:14, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

yes please do that'd be great! Mujinga (talk) 08:16, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Note to self TO DO CT55555(talk) 13:07, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I have expanded the section on her television work, adding descriptive text about the shows and their content. I'm pleased with this change, it makes the article better. Thanks for the nudge. CT55555(talk) 13:42, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

• we say she is a writer but then don't really say anything about her books. so perhaps some stuff from the reviews can be used to say what books she wrote and what they are about

Ha good point! Have added a paragraph. CT55555(talk) 18:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

• external links - I don't see the need for her twitter to be listed, she's not a twitter celebrity

Twitter link removed CT55555(talk) 16:57, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Update: I see she got an award for her Twitter work, so I thin she is a Twitter celebrity. I expanded commentary on the award (slightly) and added that back in. This isn't a hill I want to die on, so will revert, but hope you consider this persuasive. CT55555(talk) 14:40, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

ok yes i'm with you Mujinga (talk) 10:00, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Overview

• I'll take this on for review Mujinga (talk) 15:32, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks! A quick ping to @Beccaynr, @DaffodilOcean, @SouthernNights, @Paradise Chronicle who all collaborated on this article last year when it was at AFD. I nominated this for GA status so expect to do all the heavily lifting for issues identified. CT55555(talk) 15:44, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

  One quick comment, while people advocating to delete the article argued that Yemen Times was unreliable, I think credible arguments were presented that it was reliable. @Beccaynr described it as an award wining newspaper and I argued it should be reliable for the content it cited, which did not seem refuted (see talk page). I realise now that I should have removed the comment in the article, and now I don't want to edit it while you are reviewing. CT55555(talk) 15:48, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

  Hello hello welcome all. Yes I've been reading through the AfD and related discussions, and actually just removed the unreliable source tag on Yemen Times since the discussion did not determine that it was. You can edit stuff if you want CT55555, although it's prob easier to let me make comments then I can let you know when I'm done. Do you like pings or you are happy just to keep this watchlisted? I'm the latter but happy to ping you. Comments forthcoming, cheers, Mujinga (talk) 16:00, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

  This is on my watchlist, so no pings needed, but pings also welcome if you think I've missed something. I tend to be responsive and agreeable. I'm a few months better at editing than when I last looked at this, so agree on captions and alt text, I'll take action once I sense that it won't risk edit conflicts. CT55555(talk) 16:10, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

  Cool I'll give you a shout when I'm done! Mujinga (talk) 16:12, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

  @CT55555: Hiya, I'm stopping here to discuss. As you'll see I'm hitting problems with the spotchecks; these aren't insurmountable but will require some work to sort out. In addition the article needs some rewriting to make it less of a CV and more of an encyclopedic entry. What do you think about that? Mujinga (talk) 17:08, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

  Everything you said seems agreeable. I was considering pushing back on the primary sourced board roles, because I think its verified useful information, but I don't care deeply, so wonder what you think about that. I'm going to work though these fixable and clearly articulated recommendations now. Thanks! CT55555(talk) 17:09, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

  Cool if you are prepared to put the work in, let's carry on and just tell me when you are done. Mujinga (talk) 17:14, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

  I've addressed everything and made mild edits to the lead. CT55555(talk) 19:56, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

  OK, I've now responded to the second batch of feedback. I think I was able to fix everything. Notable possible flaws are: I put the Twitter link back in, and justified why. I hope you'll support but I don't care deeply. The background on the awards isn't fantastic, but I think it's good enough, I'll await your assessment on that. I think everything else is satisfactorily addressed. Thanks for the volume of work you've put into this review so far and for the clearly communicated ways to improve the article. CT55555(talk) 14:44, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

  @Mujinga ping CT55555(talk) 14:44, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

• My recollection is I had started working on this article and had planned to continue substantial work after the AfD. After I saw the GA nom, I decided to wait on reviewing sources and the article until after the GA process is completed. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 16:22, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

  Re: 20&21 at pp. 15-16 in the pdf available for download at Stronger Women, Stronger Nations: 2008 Iraq Report, the 2004 and 2007 surveys are discussed, with both dates specifically mentioned at p. 15; at p. 16, 2007 study participants are described. Beccaynr (talk) 16:35, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

  I've addressed most of the point, but not the MOS:LEAD thing. I could ping the reviewer now, but did you want to do anything before I do that? CT55555(talk) 18:24, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

  My recollection is I had conducted research and had ideas about expanding this article, and there was also an ANI complaint related to this article that had needed to be addressed. I was not consulted in advance about submitting the article for GA review, so I just stopped my work while my research and ideas were fresh so the article would be 'stable'. If I have the time, energy, and focus available after the GA process concludes, I may conduct research again, review sources and the article, and attempt to make revisions and additions I recall hoping to make.

  I expect that my work would take at least several days, so it does not appear feasible within the timeframe of the current review, and I am not sure when I might be able to reconstruct the research and review the article and sources. In the meantime, I have other projects that I have voluntarily undertaken and have been hoping to focus on due to various time constraints. Thank you, Beccaynr (talk) 19:54, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

  re " I think I already missed up the numbering due to removing some that GA review asked me to remove" don't worry about that, we just to be on the same page about what version we are discussing, cheers Mujinga (talk) 08:21, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Round2

I am not sure if this is the correct place, but I believe some more sections such as early life and education and professional life/ life in USA, life in Iraq could be helpful. Just a suggestion, I am not as much into it as CT55555 and do not know if there is enough material for such sectionsParadise Chronicle (talk) 15:55, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

I had the same feeling, but it gets complicated because her education happens quite late and so the normal ways to break things up doesn't work well for her due to overlapping education, migration, events. I considered "life in Iraq" and "life in US" approaches, but none worked.

Basically I agree philosophically, but have not found a way that works pragmatically. CT55555(talk) 15:58, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Yes I also agree and would suggest putting from "In 1995, President Bill Clinton honoured Salbi ..." until "... Security Award by the University of California, Irvine's Blum Centre for Poverty Alleviation" into an "Awards and rcognition" section, then tidying up around what's left. What do you (both) think? Mujinga (talk) 09:56, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

I find that agreeable and have done that now. CT55555(talk) 13:20, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

More comments

• Nice one CT55555 i read the article again and I think it's much improved. Some more comments:
• Lead needs expanding to summarise the article per MOS:LEAD, prob easiest to do last.

Agree. Will do last. To Do.CT55555(talk) 13:21, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Already looking better! The divorce claim isn't cited in the body (just says "She left the marriage after her husband..") and the infobox currently reads "Amjad Atallah (1993) divorced (2007)" so that's a bit garbled. Or does it mean she divorced Atallah in 2007? Mujinga (talk) 09:03, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

"Salbi is the author of" could be "Salbi is the author of books including" since she has 5 in total Mujinga (talk) 09:05, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

The first two miniparagraphs could be joined into one Mujinga (talk) 09:05, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

First two (lead) paragraphs now joined. CT55555(talk) 16:39, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

• Mentioned above but putting here for clarity, "The organization was led by Salbi from 1993 to 2011" is not backed by the Time article

Fixed. Note source says "last year" in case you search for "2011".CT55555(talk) 13:21, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

• re guardian top 100 please specify top 100 what

Have expended and better cited that sentence CT55555(talk) 13:26, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

• "Time magazine named her Innovator of the Month in March 2005[25] and she was profiled in Time for her pioneering work as philanthropist" - suggest "she was later profiled for her"

Agree done. CT55555(talk) 13:26, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

• "a former Alamo Drafthouse Cinema's blog editor who was accused of sexual assault as his accuser" - delete "as his accuser"? not sure to whom it refers

Ooops. Fixed/deleted CT55555(talk) 13:26, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

• in terms of article structure, the miniparagraphs starting "Salbi completed her bachelor's degree" and "After visiting Iraq, Salbi contributed" could be joined to the end of the previous paragraph

Some sentences have moved since then, but I agree and have joined a few short paragraphs CT55555(talk) 13:28, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

• well in fact "After visiting Iraq, Salbi contributed to a report on the role of women in post-war Iraq published by both Women Waging Peace and the Woodrow Wilson Center.[9][20] She later testified before the United States Congress about the report.[20]" as it stands is not very well referenced still, as mentioned first time round

I wrote the report thing better and added a citation which is the report itself. Not certain about that. I also cited what I think is a primary source for the congress thing, but at least it is clear. Also not sure of myself on that one, so await your comment. CT55555(talk) 13:39, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

so it's now "After visiting Iraq, she contributed the 2003 report Winning the Peace Conference Report: Women’s Role in Post-Conflict Iraq[22] published by Women Waging Peace and the Woodrow Wilson Center."[10][23] - where is "After visiting Iraq" cited? the report is cited to itself, which could be better but is ok. 23 supports WWP and WWC. what's 10 doing? Mujinga (talk) 09:16, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

I deleted the "After visiting Iraq" it was a legacy thing that I think is not supported. In the context of her being Iraqi and living there fore 20 years I don't think the reader benefits much from reassurance that she visited Iraq.

Citation 10 was what was used to ascertain her religion. I don't know how it ended up in there, but have moved it down to personal life section and mentioned her religion. CT55555(talk) 16:45, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

• ref38 is a bit garbled " "Degree honours BBC Scotland chief Donalda". Evening News; Edinburgh (UK) [Edinburgh (UK)]. July 4, 2019. p. 8 – via ProQuest." - don't need Edinburgh UK twice Mujinga (talk) 10:05, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

  I've fixed that citation and linked it. CT55555(talk) 13:42, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

  @Mujinga batch two of feedback is done. CT55555(talk) 13:42, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

  (Except lead, I might start that now, or wait until the end)... CT55555(talk) 13:43, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

Spotchecks2

on this version

• 1 FT text requested

You still need it? CT55555(talk) 17:51, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

• 1a ok
• 1b source says "“Since I was 15 years old I have dedicated my life to serving women,” she says, crediting her mother, a biology teacher, for inspiring her" so "At the time of her birth" not covered

A fair point. Have corrected. Now just "Her mother was a biology teacher" CT55555(talk) 16:56, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

• 1c ok
• 1d ok
• 1e "As of 2021" nope 2012!! so maybe not worth mentioned because it's so long ago

Sorry for my 21<>21 typo. I changed it to "In 2012" but not sure if I should delete it? 16:55, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

yeah i think better to delete because 2012 is 11 years ago Mujinga (talk) 16:58, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Done. Now personal life section is 3 words. May incorporate religion elsewhere or just drop it. Any thoughts? CT55555(talk) 17:01, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Haha yes better to put that info in early life. Not a fan of three word sections. Mujinga (talk) 17:04, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

• 3 we say "In 2012 Salbi and Doreen Lawrence were identified as the Barclays' Women of the Year." - source says "Last week, she was awarded Barclays Women of the Year award by Dame Helen Mirren, alongside Doreen Lawrence, mother of murdered schoolboy Stephen, the writer P D James and more than 30 British Olympic and Paralympic medallists." - not quite the same because I was expecting the source to confirm it was just her and Lawrence, rather than her and over 30 other women

Yes, you are correct. That sentence was correct, but misleading. I've changed it to "In 2012, she was one of Barclays' Women of the Year." I could have said "one of over 30" and then it starts to suggest it's not such a big deal and maybe I should not even mentioned it. All feedback on that welcome. CT55555(talk) 16:49, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

yeah great - we have quality secondary sources such as Independent and FT referring to it so I think it is worth including Mujinga (talk) 16:57, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

• 7 Broadview Magazine - ok

OK, now responded to everything. I think the only unresolved thing is if you need me to do something about citation 1 FT. Comments say you want text, but I think you have text, so I'm not sure if you need anything from me? ping Mujinga CT55555(talk) 17:54, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

FT is resolved, but I have more comments after doing a final read-through, I;ll put them below and regard everything above as dealt with OR mentioned again below Mujinga (talk) 09:51, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Round3

• We need another round since the article has changed a lot. It's mainly nitpicks now :)

:-) CT55555(talk) 11:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

• muslim - Muslim? In our article on Muslims capital M is used and that seems normal to me

Good catch. Fixed CT55555(talk) 11:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

• "author of books including" - I'd prefer this in the lead becuase she published more than two books

Done CT55555(talk) 11:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

• link Hussein on first mention in body

Done CT55555(talk) 11:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

• link Baghdad on first mention in body

Done CT55555(talk) 11:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

• "In 2008, it produced a report with an introduction by Salbi, based on 2004[26] and 2007 surveys of Kurdish, Shi'i, Sunni, Christian, Turkmen, and Sabai'i Iraqi women.[27]" - it's back again!? still can't verify the stated information from the links. 26 doesn't mention a 2004 report and 27 doesn't mention Turkmen, Sunni etc

I rewrote that part based on the source. Now it reads "In January 2005, it produced a report presenting findings from a survey of 1,000 Iraqi women. The report conveyed women's concerns about their safety in war" which is all from the only secondary source that was there. CT55555(talk) 11:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

• "The five part series explored how positive change could occur after the aftermath of the MeToo movement. The show examined issues of gender, race, and social class.[30] On the show, Salbi interviewed political commentator Angela Rye, writer Ijeoma Oluo" - this reads a bit proseline right now with "... the series ... the show ... the show", can you reformulate

Agreed. Fixed now. CT55555(talk) 11:13, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

• "she she was later profiled for her work" - 2xshe

Fixed. CT55555(talk) 11:13, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

• She received the Eleanor Roosevelt Val-Kill Award in 2019.[54] The award was given for her writing and television work to advance awareness of issues affecting women - one sentence would read smoother

Agreed. Done. CT55555(talk) 11:15, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

• Nearly there hopefully! Mujinga (talk) 10:03, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Round three, back at you Mujinga CT55555(talk) 11:15, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

• Reading through again, I notice you have "focus-" and "focuss-" so it would be good to standardise that

Done. Went with US version. CT55555(talk) 16:55, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

• Otherwise it's all good now, so congrats on the GA and thanks for working through all the queries so promptly @CT55555: Mujinga (talk) 16:56, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Excellent. Thanks for the collaborative spirit, diligence, and patience! CT55555(talk) 16:56, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Cheers and happy editing! Mujinga (talk) 16:56, 28 April 2023 (UTC)