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The usual pathetic croatian nationalistic article about a croatian city

Croats built everything, croats were the victims, croats were the native people of the city, the culture was only croatian...how long can wikipedia survive when there are so many biased articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.24.86.241 (talk) 18:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic Italians

Knowing that the Austro-Hungarian censuses only asked for people's "language of communication", how did we get to "local ethnic Italians" in Special:Diff/1260937330/1262425615. In that edit, not all sentences are sourced. The first and the third sentence most likely constitute WP:OR. Can we get reliable sources, with exact quotations on this talk page, please. Ponor (talk) 10:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ponor: First of all, thank you for writing to me in my talk. Yes, it's just a question of words: I'll remove "local ethnic" without any problems, it's actually a useless specification. LukeWiller (talk) 12:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LukeWiller: we should follow the source as closely as possible. So, what EXACTLY does the source say? What is the source for the first added sentence? What is the source for the third added sentence? Per WP:SYNTH, we may not lead the reader into believing "if A and B then C", if all three are not said in the source, exactly like that.

Also, I believe you should refrain from adding this same information to every possible article while this issue is under discussion. The conclusions you're presenting are highly controversial, and there's more to the story. For example, people faced limited opportunities unless they identified as "Italian." You're completely omitting that aspect. Ponor (talk) 21:42, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ponor: Yes, I apologize, I thought the general problem was solved. I would say to wait for other opinions. LukeWiller (talk) 23:04, 11 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

@LukeWiller, Wikipedia is source-based, not opinion based. So please, secondary sources first so we can discuss things. You're not allowed to synthesize from primary sources. Yes, there was Italian Exodus, but no, that was not the only source of primarily-Italian-speaking population decline, to my knowledge. Ponor (talk) 14:56, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ponor No, sorry, if you have doubts about your personal knowledge, you should be the one to bring new sources, not me. LukeWiller (talk) 14:59, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LukeWiller: it's not about new sources, it's about any sources. If you attached a source to each sentence that you added I'd know what we're talking about and would be able to discuss it. If that's so hard, I'm beginning to think that's not what we'll find in any sources for Trogir, Split, Krk (town) and all others where you were adding these same words. So once again, what are the sources? Please, please, and please. Ponor (talk) 15:35, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]