Talk:Yuri Knorozov

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Article creation

Parts of this have been written from memory, I shall have to check and cross-reference some of the facts once I finally retrieve my reference books from storage. There seems to be a paucity of biographical information on the internet. A list of his academic publications would be a bonus find.

In particular, I am not too sure about when he was first allowed to visit Central America, it may have been in the 1980s. --cjllw | TALK 04:40, 2005 July 12 (UTC)

Notes re Russian biographical source

As per to the Russian biographical site (www.peoples.ru) which I have added to the references, Knorosov's first visit to Mesoamerica took place in 1990, I have updated the article accordingly.

Also note, the additional biographical data I have added to the article from this source is via my gloss of the output of a machine translation of the original source (in Russian); as such, there is room for error in the transliteration or interpretation. --cjllw | TALK 04:34, 2005 July 19 (UTC)

Good Article Nomination

Looks pretty good, but could perhaps use some cites to the contemporary debates in scholarly journals as well as in-line citations (which many GA reviewers like to see). Alot of it seems closely based on Breaking the Maya Code and could benefit from alternate sources or perspectives. Not that I don;t love Coe's book but his views can hardly be described as NPOV though he tries to be fair. Eluchil404 22:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input. Agree that it would be useful to incorporate materials from a wider range of sources, though when I wrote this article a year ago I'd had some difficulty in tracking these down. Will see if I can find any more in the next little while.

As for inline cites, will see if I can add a few in, though after this amount of time will need to refresh my memory.--cjllw | TALK 02:34, 26 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just dropped by to review and have the same comment as above. We really need those cites. Otherwise, my complements! It is good work doing this all from memory! --CTSWyneken^(talk) 00:51, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've tracked down some additional references, so give me a day or two more to work these and other cites and details into the text. Cheers, --cjllw | TALK 09:00, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Afraid I got a bit distracted and also short of time, so if you will bear with me I'll be another couple of days in incorporating some new/clarificatory material and annotating with appropriate citations. If not progressed by this time next week, feel free to ping it. Cheers, --cjllw | TALK 07:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I'll mark it pending. Just drop by the nom page or my talk page and tell me you're ready. Good work! --CTSWyneken^(talk) 13:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RE-reviewing of the article led me to pass it since all the requirements have been assessed and the questions adressed. Congratulations! Lincher 15:57, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey thanks, Lincher. There's still a bit more biog material I'd like to add (over and above his achievements in the Maya field) from the additional sources now obtained, and will do so shortly tho hopefully without any deleterious effects.--cjllw | TALK 13:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

move

moved to standard transliteration of his name. That erased a stub in the history; the stub was:

Dr. Yuri Valentinovich Knorozov (1922 - 1999) was a Russian linguist, epigraphist, and anthropologist/ethnologist. He attended Moscow State University. His most notable accomplishments are his contributions to deciphering Mayan hieroglyphics.

kwami (talk) 02:32, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bio controversy

Has anyone listened to today's Echo of Moscow? Dmitry Beliaev (one of K's disciples, currently with the RGGU faculty) had a long talk show and explained that the rosy story outlined in Western press (and reproduced in the article as it stands today) is one half BS. Real life, apparently, was not as good for K as it seems. The transcript will be posted in a few days in the archives at [1], dated 12.06.2010. East of Borschov (talk) 12:46, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This talk with Beliaev was at 13.03.2010, direct link to transcript and audio: [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.35.131.139 (talk) 07:56, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

BERLIN LIBRARY LEGEND

Point is, Knorozov was not in Berlin in 1945. By the end of the World War II he served in the army near or in Moscow - see Russian variant of paper about Kborozov with explications. So, the whole story about Berlin library is a legend.Д.Д.Гуров (talk) 18:14, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Ukrainian

His surname is Ukrainian. It means Boar's.--Юе Артеміс (talk) 06:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The fact is that he personally identified as being the progeny of Russian intelligentsia. It seems strange that a linguist would overlook the fact of the root of his name being of Ukrainian origin, but for the purposes of Wikipedia this is original research, just as it is in the Ukrainian Wikipedia entry, if there is only a dictionary definition to back it up the assertion. Whatever the facts are, I don't see them even meeting with WP:WEIGHT. There may be editors who disagree with me, and I'm happy to hear arguments for the inclusion of this fact. Personally, however, I will not go against the person's convictions whether it be a WP:BLP, or the biography of a deceased person. Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:19, 4 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Move info about false military record to top of section.

The reader is lead to believe that the Berlin stationing is true until the last sentence. This is not good practice for a reference media. 2600:8800:5E82:FD00:15E7:E533:D011:3917 (talk) 15:24, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I came across the fact that his daughter is also an academic

While checking for citations, for the later life section, due to a citation needed tag, I found this page about his daughter Ekaterina Knorozova, who is a Professor at St Petersburg University. I'm not certain if that is considered relevant material to a biography? It feels as if it would be.--ConfusedAndAfraid (talk) 02:19, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Citation needed

"Citation needed" appears 18 times in this article. Either sources need to be added or the article should be pruned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xwedodah (talk • contribs) 04:20, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cat

According to several Facebook posts that I have seen, Knorozov kept trying to submit his work with his cat as a coauthor. I have tried to verify that as a fact but I could not find sources that qualify as reliable. Has anyone a reliable source for this fact (if a fact at all)? 80.71.142.166 (talk) 06:01, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! I am your colleague from Wikipedia Russia. There is an amazing interview about Knorozov. Maybe you will find it interesting to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4MRWuTebRE Kalisidina (talk) 17:21, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

From that youtube link, at time stamp 1:25:10 (s=5108) there is a screenshot of a reliable 1973 source. I can't read Russian, but maybe someone who can read it can cite the source!

PS The video said he had multiple cats over the years. 173.222.1.158 (talk) 18:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is an example of an unreliable source talking about the cat. This one includes a statue of him holding the cat.

https://mastodon.online/@semiotic_pirate/113331353855345352 173.222.1.158 (talk) 18:41, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]