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A fact from Yoga nidra appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 17 October 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Yoga nidra, a state of consciousness "in which Buddhas may access secret knowledge", is being studied for potential treatment of sleep problems?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2022/October. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Yoga nidra.

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The history section, divided straightforwardly into ancient and medieval subsections, has as its subject the actual mentions of "yoganidra" in ancient and medieval documents. The section is by intention purely historical; it certainly isn't an appropriate place for modern interpretations by non-Indologists; any such interpretation can't be considered a reliable source in this context. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:01, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Stormbird: Please do not edit-war, it isn't acceptable: the correct state for a disputed item, especially when as here a discussion has already been started, and edit comments have already directed attention to the talk page, is the status quo ante. You have now repeatedly added the text:

"References to the fourth state (turiya) and the ordinary states of waking, dreaming and dreamless sleep can be found in the much older Mandukya Upanishad (c. 300 BCE to 300 CE) and later Advaita Vedanta texts (6-7th CE).^[1]^[2]"

and this despite the facts that i) the edit was reverted with the edit comment "sorry, but a) those other states are off-topic for this article, and b) holistic practitioners are not WP:RS in a section on Indology, see talk page)" ii) this thread was started, and iii) you grant in your second edit comment that Fracasso, Krippner and Friedman 2020 is not written by Indologists or anything resembling such. That isn't acceptable, on multiple levels. There is no good reason to include other states in an article on the *practice* of yoganidra, which is (at best) only loosely connected to the historically-described *state* that had the same name. If for the sake of argument we grant that the states need to be mentioned, then we need both to say why they are relevant, and to use reliable sources only - Birch and Hargreaves would be sufficient: but you haven't made the case for the inclusion of these other states. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:38, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In the interests of harmony, I'm happy to leave a brief mention of these further states, though the additional description of earlier documents where they (but not yoganidra) are mentioned is at most a footnote in the context of this article. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:04, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Birch, Jason; Hargreaves, Jacqueline (January 2015). "Yoganidrā". The Luminescent. Archived from the original on 16 November 2018. Retrieved 11 March 2022.
^ Fracasso, Cheryl L.; Krippner, Stanley; Friedman, Harris L. (2020-09-09). Holistic Treatment in Mental Health: A Handbook of Practitioners' Perspectives. McFarland. p. 210. ISBN 978-1-4766-6993-9.

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 13:35, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Yoga nidra, a state of consciousness "in which Buddhas may access secret knowledge", is being studied for potential treatment of sleep problems? Source: two separate sources in the article
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/William Anders
- Comment: The quotation marks don't signify a quote here, but since that statement is from an ancient text it would be weird to use Wikivoice, and overly long to explain where it stems from. On the other hand, I'm not sure if the studied for potential treatment is clear enough to not compromise WP:MEDRS; but I hope it shows that research is ongoing, and has not yielded affirmative results (or at least not many).

Improved to Good Article status by Chiswick Chap (talk). Nominated by LordPeterII (talk) at 12:27, 18 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @LordPeterII: great article. However, i'd like for you to specify your citations before i approve this. Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:23, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Onegreatjoke: Ofc, the first one is YOGANIDRĀ. An Understanding of the History and Context for the Buddha thing, and the source for the sleep research would primarily be Sleep Strategies for Sportsmen; What can they be? A Randomised Controlled Trial, but also Yoga Nidra: An innovative approach for management of chronic insomnia- A case report. –LordPeterII (talk) 08:28, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Alright Approved.

Onegreatjoke (talk) 18:54, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Missed that discussion, but for the record the article states explicitly that the modern practice of guided meditation is unconnected to the state described in the old manuscripts. The linking together of the two parts of the hook is thus a mistake, or original research, call I as you like. Chiswick Chap (talk) 01:53, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[Birch_Hargreaves_2015-1] Birch, Jason; Hargreaves, Jacqueline (January 2015). "Yoganidrā". The Luminescent. Archived from the original on 16 November 2018. Retrieved 11 March 2022.

[2] Fracasso, Cheryl L.; Krippner, Stanley; Friedman, Harris L. (2020-09-09). Holistic Treatment in Mental Health: A Handbook of Practitioners' Perspectives. McFarland. p. 210. ISBN 978-1-4766-6993-9.

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